Mabinogi - Voice Composition Tip

• Kenero wrote on 2013-05-31 14:28
  [9:42:46 AM] あっこ : oh yes haha
  [9:42:48 AM] あっこ : also
  [9:42:50 AM] あっこ : to point out
  [9:42:54 AM] あっこ : the korean told us a helpful tip
  [9:43:01 AM] あっこ : we were wondering why we could sing ..
  [9:43:03 AM] あっこ : she said
  [9:43:06 AM] あっこ : to put o1, o2, or o3
  [9:43:12 AM] あっこ : at the start of the "voice mml"
  [9:43:12 AM] あっこ : ...
  [9:43:24 AM] あっこ : though it isn't perfect since you have to manipulate the o1, o2, and o3 in the WHOLE file
  [9:43:32 AM] あっこ : just having it at o1 will make most of your notes at least play..
  [9:43:35 AM] あっこ : to make it sound good
  [9:43:42 AM] あっこ : you have to write MML in a way that manipulates the octaves
  [9:43:45 AM] あっこ : for example
  [9:43:59 AM] あっこ : let me get one
  [9:44:19 AM] radionoise: don't really compose stuff so wouldn't understand anyway lol
  [9:44:31 AM] radionoise: anyhow, gonna go have breakfast
  [9:44:39 AM] あっこ : v10l16o5al2o6co5ao6cl16o5gl1bl16gl4bagl16el1al16o5al2o6co5ao6cl16o5gl1bl16gl4bagl16el1al8o4go5gl4bl8o4ao5go6l4cl8o4bo5go6l2dl16cl2eo5l4go6l8el16o5ao6l4cl2dl8o5eo6cl1o5bo6l2cl4o5ao6co5l1bl8bagl4abl1ao6l2cl4o5ao6co5l1bl8bagl4abl1ao6l2cl4o5ao6co5l1bl8bagl4abl1ao6l2cl4o5ao6co5l1bl8bagl4abl8aeal4bl8gbo6l4cl8o5ao6cl2dl4el8dl4cdl8o5bo6co5l4bal8gl4al8go5l8aeal4bl8gbo6l4cl8o5ao6l4cdl8eco5go6fco5ao6f#co5ao6gdo5bo6g#eaebeo7co6bagl4al8f#l4al8f#l4ael8o7co6bagl4al8f#l4gl8f#l4gf#l8o7co6bagl4al8f#o7co6al4gal2gefdl8o4al4o6el8o4al4o6el8o4al4o6el8o4al4o6el8o4ao5fao6do5fao6dl1e
  [9:44:42 AM] あっこ : this is the MML...
  [9:44:46 AM] あっこ : if you put that in voice, you won't sing
  [9:44:51 AM] あっこ : but if you take the first lien
  [9:44:54 AM] あっこ : [9:44 AM] あっこ :
  
  <<< v10l16o5al2o6co5ao6cl16o5g
  [9:44:59 AM] あっこ : and add in o2
  [9:45:01 AM] あっこ : o2v10l16o5al2o6co5ao6cl16o5g
  [9:45:03 AM] あっこ : it will work
  [9:45:03 AM] あっこ : xD
  [9:45:15 AM] radionoise: I have a guildmate who's korean and also makes MML
  [9:45:18 AM] あっこ : of course she sadi that's just a "quick fix" and that true writers of MML
  [9:45:22 AM] radionoise: I'll give her that tip to prepare
  [9:45:24 AM] あっこ : would use multiple o1, o2, and o3 in it
  [9:45:26 AM] あっこ : mm
  [9:45:27 AM] あっこ : like
  [9:45:35 AM] あっこ : o1v10l16o5al2o6co5o2ao6co1l16o5g
  [9:45:40 AM] あっこ : notice i added o1, o2, and o1 ?
  [9:45:43 AM] あっこ : hehe
  [9:46:01 AM] radionoise: yea
  [9:46:07 AM] あっこ : give her as a tip
  [9:46:13 AM] あっこ : we DID not know how to make it sing
  [9:46:13 AM] radionoise: though for me don't really understand mml stuff, so just copypasting
  [9:46:16 AM] あっこ : good thing we learned it haha
• Kenero wrote on 2013-05-31 23:09
  Okay, for those who wasn't able to understand.
  
  When you make a melody for the song to sing, you use the fourth line in the scroll. However, just putting MML there won't do the trick. Why? Because the voice only has 3 octaves. When writing the MML, you have to do put o1, o2, and o3... what does it mean?
  
  o1 = First octave
  o2 = Second octave
  o3 = Third octave
  
  If you fail to specific an octave, you'll either get no sound or a messed up voice. So, what does that mean? You have to specify which octave to use, for example, take this MML line:
  
  t76v15l8>b+bag4d4.a1b+bag4f#4gg4.gf#dc-d4e4
  
  
  Just by itself, it can produce sound on an instrument, but if you don't assign an octave, it won't play at all. To remedy this, let's add the first octave to it or o1:
  
  
  o1+76v15l8>b+bag4d4.a1b+bag4f#4gg4.gf#dc-d4e4
  
  
  Notice how because I added o1, the song will now play in that octave.
  
  
  Now while that will get the voice going in a song, it wouldn't sound pretty good. To be a true master of making voice MML, you have to learn how to manipulate octaves! In other words, learning where to put o1, o2, and o3 is the key to being a good voice MML writer.
  
  Now, with that said here's an example video I made after experimenting with it:
  
  
  [video=youtube;qz9I8_oatdE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz9I8_oatdE[/video]
  
  
  
  Notice in that video that I played all three octaves separately to demonstrate how high and low it can get. Once I demonstrated each octave separately, there's a "slight" pause at the video at 0:53, after the pause, I use all three octaves to create a very nice melody. =)
  
  As you can see, by learning to manipulate octaves, you can make some pretty cute voice MML. With that in mind, I hope it will give some insight on how to write voice MML for our MML writers in Mabinogi.
  
  =)
• Jiihae wrote on 2013-05-31 23:19
  Think of it more like vocals have a specific range where it can produce sounds.
  
  If you don't specify which octave to start with, it will start at o4 by default. Most of the pitches in o4 cannot be heard when using it with vocals.
  
  Candyrock posted a neat breakdown of the valid octaves for each instrument on another thread weeks ago.
  
  

  Quote from Candyrock:

  Audible range for the new instruments:
  

  
  
  • Piano: o1c ~ o7c
    
  • Violin: o1e ~ o4b
    
  • Cello: o1c ~ o3a+
    
  • Vocal (Male): o1f ~ o4c+
    
  • Vocal (Female): o1c ~ o3a
    
  • Choir (Male): o1d ~ o3a+
    
  • Choir (Female): o1g ~ o4c
    

  
  
  Yes, for some reason, the female vocals have a lower range than the male vocals. Both genders of the vocals come in 5 different variants; the tones are the same, but the syllables vary within some of the notes. Choir is the same, but with only 3 variants.
  

  
  Source
• Kenero wrote on 2013-05-31 23:22

  Quote from Jiihae;1098904:

  Think of it more like vocals have a specific range where it can produce sounds.
  
  If you don't specify which octave to start with, it will start at o4 by default. Most of the pitches in o4 cannot be heard when using it with vocals.
  
  Candyrock posted a neat breakdown of the valid octaves for each instrument on another thread weeks ago.
  
  
  Source

  
  
  
  Thanks.
  
  Now I just hope people will create more voice MMLs. I'm really interested in what can be produced.
• Shockscar wrote on 2013-06-01 00:22
  For those of you with 3ml editors, if you use the current KR spirit.dls file you'll be able to find the new voice sounds and tamper with the right octaves.
  
  Here's a score, see if it works.
  
  Yui Again (FMA)
  
  Instrument:
  [CODE][SPOILER="Spoiler"]MML@t139v10l32g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&gl8reb4ee4d4l16eeb8e8e8e4f+4f+f+l8f+gf+gf+<bb1r>e16e16geee4d4gaaal16ga8gab4.raf+e2.<<b8.b>d8g8.gl8f+ed4ddddddd<b.b16>dg.g16f+ed+4ed+ed+ed+e>d+ed+ed+ed+er2ref+gf+g4f+2f+16f+16gf+f+g4f+4c-4cc-cc-2r2ref+gf+g4f+2f+16f+16gf+eb4e4e4f+f+gf+2r<bba16bb16bba>dde<b.bb16ba>dde<b.bb16b+b4.b>g4f+d4r<bbb16b+.bba>dde<b.bb16ba>dde<b.bb16b+b4rb>g4f+d4reel16eeeeeel8f+ereel16eeeeeel8bareel16eeeeeel8f+ee4eg4f+edreel16eeeeeel8f+ereel16eeeeeel8bareel16eeeeeel8f+eb4b>d4<bagb4ee4d4l16eeb8e8e8e4f+4f+f+l8f+gf+gf+<b4b16b16b>dde4f+4f+geee4d4daaal16ga8aab4&baf+e2.eel8bbb>d4<bagb4ee4d4l16eeb8e8e8e4f+4f+f+l8f+gf+gf+<b4l16bbb8>d8d8e4f+4ef+g8e8e8ee8.d4.a8.aaaagaag8b4e1,r2.r8v10<f+8<e1g1e1e8ef+g8f+c1d1e2.&e8g16a16e.e.e8d.ddde.e.e8f+8f+f+f+f+bbbrl4.eee4ddd4ccc4ccc8d16d16eee4ddd4ccc4cl8cd4d4eeeeeeeeddddddddccccccccccccddddeeeeeeeeddddddddccccccccc4.cr4d4eer2.eer2.eer2.e4.d4.d4eer2.ddr2.ccr2.e4.d4.d4ccb+ccb+ccdd>d<dd>d<ddee>e<ee>e<eee4.d4d4dccb+cccb+cdd>d<ddd>d<dee>e<eee>e<ee4ed4dddccb+cccb+cdd>d<ddd>d<dee>e<eee>e<ee4.d4d4dccb+cccb+cdr4dr4d4b1,l1rv10<gdercdeg2.r8ar8g2.r8arr8gf+eegf+ee2f+2gf+eegf+ee2f+2r8l4b.bbr8b.bbr8b.bbcc8el8dcc-rl4b.bbr8b.bbr8b.bb>gg8f+g8f+8d8gg8ggg8ea8aaa8<bb8bg8ggb8bb8agg8ggl8g>dddd16f+2r.<b2.rg4gf+2gg4gl1gaba.r8gb;[/SPOILER][/CODE]
  
  Voice
  [CODE][SPOILER="Spoiler"]t139v15<<l32g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&g&gl8reb4ee4d4l16eeb8e8e8e4f+4f+f+l8f+gf+gf+<bb1r>e16e16geee4d4gaaal16ga8gab4.raf+e2.<<b8.b>d8g8.gl8f+ed4ddddddd<b.b16>dg.g16f+ed+4ed+ed+ed+ed+ed+ed+ed+er2ref+gf+g4f+2f+16f+16gf+f+g4f+4c-4cc-cc-2r2ref+gf+g4f+2f+16f+16gf+eb4e4e4f+f+gf+2r<bba16bb16bba>dde<b.bb16ba>dde<b.bb16b+b4.b>g4f+d4r<bbb16b+.bba>dde<b.bb16ba>dde<b.bb16b+b4rb>g4f+d4reel16eeeeeel8f+ereel16eeeeeel8bareel16eeeeeel8f+ee4eg4f+edreel16eeeeeel8f+ereel16eeeeeel8bareel16eeeeeel8f+eb4b>d4<bagb4ee4d4l16eeb8e8e8e4f+4f+f+l8f+gf+gf+<b4b16b16b>dde4f+4f+geee4d4daaal16ga8aab4&baf+e2.eel8bbb>d4<bagb4ee4d4l16eeb8e8e8e4f+4f+f+l8f+gf+gf+<b4l16bbb8>d8d8e4f+4ef+g8e8e8ee8.d4.a8.aaaagaag8b4e1[/SPOILER][/CODE]
  
  It seems to me that with different music skills will utilize a different "type" of singing sound (for example lullaby and battlefield each have a different singing sound when used). Or it could just be randomized upon singing, but my point is that some of the voices when used for these codes make the song sound more or less appealing.
• Kenero wrote on 2013-12-19 15:11
  Bumping this again since people are going to question how to compose.