Upcoming Damage Formula Change

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Invertex wrote on 2013-06-26 01:07

Source
http://heroes.nexon.com/news/devstory.aspx?bn=20&no=175&mode=view

Translation on VHQ
http://vindictushq.com/archives/6237#more-6237?nxid=15

Discussion with some math on the Nexon forums
http://vindictus.nexon.net/Community/#%2Fshowthread.php%3F889553-DevNote-Damage-Equation-update%26nxid%3D15

I'll give a quick run down of the important part.
1. The damage chart is most likely based off of 70-80 Havan, who has 11k Def. The 8k and 10k Att values don't add up and most people are discarding them in analysis.

2. Most of the damage boost occurs in the "sweet spot" of around 1k-3k above boss' Def, and it's virtually is nonexistent above 5k over boss Def.

3. There's an early estimate on the Nexon forum topic of the new formula, read up over there if you want.

4. Main implication is that unless you can get to the threshold where these changes aren't in effect, Att is worth far less. There's even some math that shows there's the potential for a +15 Lv. 8 weapon to outdamage a +10 Lv. 70 weapon provided you scroll it heavily for supporting stats like Bal/Speed/Crit.

5. However once you get past that ~5k over boss Def threshold, Att becomes the dominant stat again for boosting DPS.

6. Between this and the easier to obtain Lv. 70s, this should be relatively good news for most mid range players.

7. Gap between normal players and the extremely stacked players still exist, the gap just went from like triple damage to double damage.

Right as I got to 19k too, I was looking forwards to faceroll top DPS.
JinNJuice wrote on 2013-06-26 17:01

At the face of it, this does seem to be bad. However, I'm rather a "mid range" player myself, so it could be nice to see more active players come together.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2013-06-26 18:33

I'm a bit iffy on this one... If there's not a significant damage boost at 16k, what's the point?
nandattebayo wrote on 2013-06-26 20:31

Quote from Darkboy132;1112685:
I'm a bit iffy on this one... If there's not a significant damage boost at 16k, what's the point?

The point is to reduce the amount of attack limit boats, so more people can experience content.
Invertex wrote on 2013-06-27 05:57

Pretty much, the last part of the translation sums it up well.

So we made this patch so that players who are still advancing will get a big boost to their damage while still maintaining a reasonable distance with players who are already decked out in their gear.

...

Still we hope that after this patch, instead of waiting for a 16k restriction boat to fill up, quickly starting with a 14k party will become a more efficient choice. We also hope that this patch will help players reduce emphasis on attack and turn to other stats like crit or attack speed.

This isn't a patch to give the people who don't need more power even more of it, this is a patch to smooth out a new player's experience. I know I sat at 12k and 14k for the longest time before I finally got my Att to spike to over 16k. Granted nowadays you can say "Farm TD 50-69" or "Farm seals" as a response to issues with gear, but if anything this also helps smooth out the farming process for those items.

While it may not be the end of the gear2win reliance this game tends to have, it's a step in the right direction.
MareneCorp wrote on 2013-06-27 14:14

Quote from Invertex;1112992:
While it may not be the end of the gear2win reliance this game tends to have, it's a step in the right direction.

And thank god for that. I'm relieved to see them doing the right thing for once.
JinNJuice wrote on 2013-06-27 23:20

And here I am, still sitting at 12.4k Att.
Burnlever wrote on 2013-06-29 14:42

Quote from JinNJuice;1113495:
And here I am, still sitting at 12.4k Att.

12.4k att isn't bad if you're not at level 70+, especially if you're a sword Lann.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2013-08-25 07:32

Looks like they added it in NA.
RebeccaBlack wrote on 2013-08-26 09:04

Ugh, and FF14 is coming out tomorrow too.

Looks like I'm going back to MMOs. At least a little bit. Or maybe I'll just put Vindictus off for another year.

It's going to take a ton of getting used to. I have no idea how to calculate things anymore. But it's for the better, really. Vindictus was starting to become unfun because it was an endless grind just to keep up. It will be nice for people who don't play regularly to somewhat be able to keep up with people who do, so long as they're good enough. It won't change the fact that some people will always have +15 80s and others unscrolled +8 60s (and there's nothing wrong with that), but it's probably the biggest step in the right direction they could reasonably make. We still have to reward people who have nice things, after all. They worked for it, bought it, got lucky, whatever. In any case, they got it fairly. Unless they hacked it or something. But meh, that's an unrelated issue.