Necroposting Rule

• Baku wrote on 2013-06-29 23:01

  Quote from Episkey;1114488:

  Can only be interpreted as an insult (unless for whatever reason you choose to ignore what he said).

  
  How is that an insult? Is a common psychological occurrence among human beings, which happens subconsciously, hence my mentioning of it might make some people start to think things a tad more~
  
  And if I did happen to insult you or anyone, then apologies, but you responding in such a passive-aggressive behavior and with this lack of respect isn't helping.
  
  I never intend to insult, I never intend to lack the respect to anyone, and if it ever happens it can be assured that it was completely unintentional and simply a nudge to explain it to me should suffice.
  
  

  Quote from Genso:

  promotes activity

  
  
  I believe its the opposite! Because of the reasons I presented beforehand.
  
  It is extremely common for people to feel it's "easier"/"quicker" to reply to an existing thread than to make a new one.
  
  

  Quote from Arsiky:

  even the only mod that was a mod when the original rules were up. D:

  
  Hey D: . All the rules ever said was about necro being allowed in Guides and Bean Rua (and stickies because super obvious reasons). Which is still how it works.
  I don't remember any other special mentions.
  
  

  Quote from Epis:

  . If you really can't say any on-topic content in 30 days, then the conversation is already dead.

  
  New users join the site and then there's also non-active members, they might be browsing happily, and a 30 old days thread CAN EASILY be on a 3rd to 5th page, which is common for some people to browse back there (so I don't agree with you that 30 days is a "looooong time"), find something of interest and add their opinion to it. And if the reply is relevant to a still relevant topic, then I just don't see the issue.
  
  

  Quote from Lyrv:

  I don't think removing the rule would suddently make a huge influx of old thread pop back in the front page.

  
  
  Of course not, necroposting isn't that common in the first place. But 8 out of 10 times I close a thread because of necro, it feels like I'm FORBIDDING DISCUSSION on a DISCUSSION FORUM.
  
  Also, it has happened to me before that I took a look at a report of necro, and it's been hours and I'm the first mod to see it, and I happen to see discussion again in a necroed thread, why should I have to close that? These people were happily discussing stuff.
  How can I know that when we do get to a necro quickly, discussion wasn't going to happily and successfully ensue.
  And if not:
  

  Quote from Lyrv:

  If the thread was going to be dead for good it'd go back to where it was in due time.

  
  This would happen.
  
  

  Quote from Lyrv?:

  Now said new member probably doesn't feel like making a new thread just to give his/her opinion is that important, therefore we might potentially be missing on a good occasion to spark new conversation about a subject.

  
  
  But it's not always about this new member, another person that could have missed that thread before (another new member, or ANYONE who cares) will reply again.
  
  I have seen it many times (here and other forums) where a new reply is made on an oldish-thread and some people will bring it back to life again, and not particularly the person that actually made the necro.
  It's also common for a thread to be sort-of ignored, few replies.. i.e not "hot", but when it is brought back to life, it becomes "hot", why? I don't know, maybe some reply actually brought more interest to the topic at hand, or for some reason a lot of people missed it before, it does happen.
  
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  Finally, I'm not suggesting the rule be removed completely, I hope that was not how my thread was perceived.
  But simply to make it more lax.
  
  There's those necro that are just "cool!", "I agree" or whatevs~ That are just derpy.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-06-30 00:03

  Quote from Episkey;1114478:

  Someone seems very adamant about this rule-change to occur. Even to go as far as to accuse those who want to keep the rule the same exhibiting - "herd behavior".
  
  Such a statement could have been omitted, if all you wanted were more people explaining their position.
  Regardless, I hope you realize that making such a statement will not particularly convince anyone of your viewpoint nor entice further communication.
  I ask that conduct yourself more properly, Mr. Moderator.
  
  
  
  I believe this is the wording you were talking about, when TA changed the rules.
  
  
  
  Now - let us compare it to before TA changed the rules.
  
  
  
  
  Now then, to further expand on my viewpoint - I always thought that stickied threads and Bean Rua threads were never locked due to necroposting.
  Since they fall under the vague term "other exceptions" that is currently stated in the rules.
  
  I would agree with the addition of these exceptions to our current rules or at least have the Moderation Staff keep this in mind when locking threads (if indeed there were any cases of locking a sticky or Bean Rua thread for necroposting).
  
  I am personally of the opinion that such "hot topics" that the forums might have would definitely not be considered "hot" anymore if not even a single user has posted in that thread for 30 days. If you really can't say any on-topic content in 30 days, then the conversation is already dead.
  Thirty days is a loooong time, need I remind you.
  
  If you want to revive the conversation, make a new thread or simply ask a Moderator. It's not rocket science.
  
  
  Are you satisfied with my points now, Mr. Moderator?

  
  
  You're arguing up shit creek without a paddle, that's why I didn't even bother to touch on that. You just have to let it slide because Murphy's Law of Judgement dictates People insulting you will get away with it but when you say something even slightly negative back you get in deep, deep shit.
  
  As for Baku's points. I'll get back to them later, but the only time I would find a necro acceptable is if it's extremely detailed. Like, a book. Or something.
• Sepia wrote on 2013-06-30 00:17

  Quote from Gensokyou;1114616:

  You're arguing up shit creek without a paddle, that's why I didn't even bother to touch on that. You just have to let it slide because Murphy's Law of Judgement dictates People insulting you will get away with it but when you say something even slightly negative back you get in deep, deep shit.

  
  
  Oh boy....
• Episkey wrote on 2013-06-30 02:11

  Quote from Lyrveil;1114496:

  Oh yeah I do agree that he might not have chosen the best way to "push" people toward replying with more well thought reasoning. On that I can't debate with you because you're 100% right.

  
  
  Cool.
  
  

  Quote from Lyrveil;1114496:

  I believe if such thing were to happen it would count in other rules such as spam and would still warrant the thread to be closed/post deleted. The necroposting rules just feel slightly redundant to me on this point.
  
  Also when you said you'd prefer receiving tons of PM rather than seeing tons of necroposted thread, I'm mostly going on assumption here because I don't know how a new member think so bear with me. When the new member register to make the post in said thread they probably didn't read the rules (I know that's pretty bad in itself) else that necroposting wouldn't have happened in the first place.

  
  
  Right right. I agree with you.
  
  But I'd rather believe in newer users reading the rules, but I didn't want to be all cynical about it. So, you are probably right about most necroposts being due to users being ignorant concerning the rules.
  
  Despite it being right in your face ... *grumble grumble*
  
  

  Quote from Gensokyou;1114616:

  You're arguing up shit creek without a paddle, that's why I didn't even bother to touch on that. You just have to let it slide because Murphy's Law of Judgement dictates People insulting you will get away with it but when you say something even slightly negative back you get in deep, deep shit.

  
  
  Thanks, but I've already anticipated any negative reactions and planned out my future actions.
  
  So, I'll just be 5 steps ahead and adjust my plan as necessary.
  
  For example, observe.
  
  *Ahem*
  
  

  Quote from Baku;1114582:

  How is that an insult? Is a common psychological occurrence among human beings, which happens subconsciously, hence my mentioning of it might make some people start to think things a tad more~

  
  
  It is insulting, because you're calling those with an opposing viewpoint purely relying on instinct and acting without any planned direction.
  
  Again - you can entice people to provide more support to their opinion without herding everyone together.
  
  

  Quote from Baku;1114582:

  And if I did happen to insult you or anyone, then apologies, but you responding in such a passive-aggressive behavior and with this lack of respect isn't helping.

  
  
  Lack of respect? I beg to differ.
  I did not make any personal attacks against you, solely pointing out how you could have simply removed such a potentially offensive statement.
  
  As for my passive aggressiveness, it's merely a personality trait of mine when it comes to admonishment. After all, it's quite annoying to even discuss something like this. I hope even you can agree with this.
  
  

  Quote from Baku;1114582:

  I never intend to insult, I never intend to lack the respect to anyone, and if it ever happens it can be assured that it was completely unintentional and simply a nudge to explain it to me should suffice.

  
  
  Apology accepted.
  
  I just like to correct others in a verbose manner, perhaps to dissuade any further instances.
  
  Don't take it as I'm super angry or anything.
• Ashikoki wrote on 2013-06-30 02:27

  Quote from Episkey;1114666:

  Thanks, but I've already anticipated any negative reactions and planned out my future actions.
  
  So, I'll just be 5 steps ahead and adjust my plan as necessary.

  
  
  

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  I'm hearing both sides of the argument, but its too hot in this room for me to use my head and write arguments of my own.
  
  I'll see where this thread goes.
  
  There are some really strong pros to promoting making a new thread and locking old necroposted threads though, so I'm pretty reluctant on making that trade.
• Hanna wrote on 2013-06-30 04:06

  Quote from Ashikoki;1114676:

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  I'm hearing both sides of the argument, but its too hot in this room for me to use my head and write arguments of my own.
  
  I'll see where this thread goes.
  
  There are some really strong pros to promoting making a new thread and locking old necroposted threads though, so I'm pretty reluctant on making that trade.

  
  trashing the necro rule doesn't mean people will stop making new threads and suddenly go crazy on the search button
  as far as ive seen, when a necro'd thread is locked, they person who necro'd it doesn't bother to make a new thread
  so what's the point?
  
  most necros ive seen are from new members who found the thread through a search engine