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Zelfa wrote on 2013-07-23 22:25
I've been fooling around with 3mle after looking at some of the videos here, and there is something wrong with the new instruments.
I dont know if this was mentioned on the Mabimml.co website but the octaves on most of the new instruments or voices is screwed up.
Whether you can trust my ears or not is purely up to you but my ears state that the octaves are wrong.
For example, If you write "cdefg" on this edition of 3mle with the sound of the violin. It will sound ">>cdefg" and its like that for the rest of the new instruments. The older instruments (lute, flute, mandolin etc..) doesn't suffer from this. I think this is a error came from the people who coded this 3mle version. It could sound completely different ingame when some of these instruments are released. Here is the list of errors and the actual ranges of the new instruments below:
Violin Range:
Range in 3mle: E1 - B4
Actual sound: E3 - B6
Cello Range:
Range in 3mle: C1 - Bb3
actual sound: C3 - Bb5
Piano Range:
Range in 3mle: C1 - C6
Actual sound: C2 - C7
Male Voice:
Range in 3mle: F1 - C4
Actual sound: F2 - C5
Female Voice:
Range in 3mle: C1 - A3
Actual sound: C3 - A5
Male Voice Chorus:
Range in 3mle: D1 - Bb3
Actual sound: D2 - Bb4
Female Voice Chorus:
Range in 3mle: G1 - C4
Actual sound: G3 - C6
Electric Guitar:
Range in 3mle: C1 - D#4
Actual sound: C3 - D#6
Lyre: note: im not completely sure if this is right or wrong
Range in 3mle: C1 - C6
Actual Sound: C2 - C7
so next time if you open up a midi file or write the mml manually make sure to lower the octave to get the correct pitch on your chosen instrument. And when you're done raise the octaves again, assuming that devcat didn't screw up the instruments.
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Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-07-23 23:58
Actually I think it's Devcat's fault. The MSXspirit.dlls is what controls how the music will sound. If you put in a different MSXspirit.dlls like say the NA version you'll probably get a completely different sound coming from it that will probably be more messed up.
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Zelfa wrote on 2013-07-24 04:06
You might be right about it being Devcat's fault
I went and test out some mmls on a lyre and its a octave higher than it supposed to be, I guess it isnt 3mle's fault after all.
If this is the case for the rest of the instruments then making mmls for them will be a pain in the ass :sigh:
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Yoshina wrote on 2014-02-14 22:30
Well, actually you're both right and wrong. There is an additional octave. You can actually get a lower octave sound to produce from the 3mle on piano using n0 to n11 as notes (however you'll have to set the note length using l1, l2, etc), this is the 0 octave for the piano in mml. So actually, it's C0-C7 with the actual sound being C1-C8. If you want to test this, use the following in 3mle:
l16n0n1n2n3n4n5n6n7n8n9n10n11<<<cc+dd+eff+gg+aa+b>cc+dd+eff+gg+aa+b>cc+dd+eff+gg+aa+b>cc+dd+eff+gg+aa+b>cc+dd+eff+gg+aa+b>cc+dd+eff+gg+aa+b>c
The 0th octave can't be declared with o0, so use n0, n1, ..., n11 for the octave of 0. You also can't use o1< to get into the 0th octave.
This means the piano in Mabinogi can cover a total of 7 octaves with an additional C note at the very end.
However, using n0~n11 will use up a lot of space, so you should use them sparingly. C- on octave 1 will get you a B in octave 0 so you would only need n0~n10. So if you ever need n0~n10, be sure to set your note length before using it.
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Rydian wrote on 2014-02-14 23:05
Unfortunately a lot of issues people have with 3MLE are outdated modifications and packaging for it.
When using 3MLE, go into it's settings and make it point to Mabi's MSXspirit.dls, NOT any one that was included with it.
This way you can be sure that you get the same samples the game is pulling.
Also here's an updated instrument .def file that adds the US male and female voices along with other minor fixes.
http://rydian.net/downloads/mabinogi/MSXspirit.def
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Arzend wrote on 2014-04-04 01:19
:cry: dumb incorrect instruments List is driving me freakin nutz. how do I fix it? I tried clicking the link in rydians post but it's a link to a page with a list on it :fail3: am I suppose to copy part of it into the .def file? cuz I don't have anything to open or edit a .def file :shoe:
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M wrote on 2014-04-04 02:02
Quote from Arzend;1212664:
:cry: dumb incorrect instruments List is driving me freakin nutz. how do I fix it? I tried clicking the link in rydians post but it's a link to a page with a list on it :fail3: am I suppose to copy part of it into the .def file? cuz I don't have anything to open or edit a .def file :shoe:
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