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Osayidan wrote on 2013-08-29 23:22
I don't care either way but this isn't going to happen, ever (not counting inflation over the years).
If you increase the wages of fast food workers to what lower level office jobs and similar level of work are earning then why in the fuck would anyone get an education to get into said jobs? Everyone's just going to go flip burgers instead unless they have the motivation to get into more skilled jobs that pay higher.
Besides, it's america(and during a time of economic troubles). Any teenage/young adult burger flippers who walk out on strike will easily be replaced within 24 - 48 hours by older people who will take any job they can because they have a family to take care of and have been out of work for the past 6 months.
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Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2013-08-29 23:24
Quote from Osayidan;1142020:
I don't care either way but this isn't going to happen, ever (not counting inflation over the years).
If you increase the wages of fast food workers to what lower level office jobs and similar level of work are earning then why in the fuck would anyone get an education to get into said jobs? Everyone's just going to go flip burgers instead unless they have the motivation to get into more skilled jobs that pay higher.
Besides, it's america(and during a time of economic troubles). Any teenage/young adult burger flippers who walk out on strike will easily be replaced within 24 - 48 hours by older people who will take any job they can because they have a family to take care of and have been out of work for the past 6 months.
Exactly what I've been trying to say. :cry:
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Murasaki wrote on 2013-08-30 00:25
^Then you really should have said it better. The way you put it made you seem very condescending. Your logic is sound. It's just the way you put it that makes people go, "wait, what?". Word things more carefully and people won't misunderstand you.
And everyone else should be really careful about what words they use addressing the OP. Some of you are millimeters away from warnings/infractions.
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Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2013-08-30 00:33
Quote from Murasaki;1142038:
Word things more carefully and people won't misunderstand you.
Sumimasen. :bow:
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Renzato wrote on 2013-08-30 00:38
Quote from Space Pirate Nithiel;1141962:
Title edited for those that can't read and thought it was mean.
You're real funny.
But I appreciate the notion.
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Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2013-08-30 01:13
Quote from Renzato;1142042:
You're real funny.
But I appreciate the notion.
For the record I meant people that couldn't read and also people who thought it was mean. Not that people who thought it was mean can't read. <3
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Renzato wrote on 2013-08-30 01:31
Oh, alright then haha. No harm done.
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Milk wrote on 2013-08-30 02:07
Try living in NYC with a job that pays less than 15$ an hour.
I don't think that they should be payed that much though, that's a crazy amount of money for just working at places like McDonald and stuff. If they did raise it to 15 i could see a major decrease in profit and they would prob end up laying people off and hiring a lot less. Idk its a very meh situation but I think a small increase would help or just scale it better with the cost of living per area. :/
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Cucurbita wrote on 2013-08-30 06:58
Minimum wage has stayed the same for many years, while the economy has been inflating. There is more money cycling around, but it is not going in to the hands of minimum wage employees.
Where is that money going...?
Obviously to the business workers.
If we adjust minimum wage to inflation, 15 dollars an hour is actually the correct amount to ask for. If we adjust minimum wage to inflation and productivity, the correct minimum wage today would actually be 22 dollars an hour.
[video=youtube;mwAQwItEjUo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAQwItEjUo[/video]
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Taycat wrote on 2013-08-30 11:05
[SIZE="3"]I thought a president long ago already had implemented something that did cause min wage to increase as inflation happened?
Or am I thinking wrong?[/SIZE]
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Osayidan wrote on 2013-08-30 12:03
Quote from Cucurbita;1142142:
Minimum wage has stayed the same for many years, while the economy has been inflating. There is more money cycling around, but it is not going in to the hands of minimum wage employees.
Where is that money going...?
Obviously to the business workers.
If we adjust minimum wage to inflation, 15 dollars an hour is actually the correct amount to ask for. If we adjust minimum wage to inflation and productivity, the correct minimum wage today would actually be 22 dollars an hour.
That still won't happen, if minimum wage is adjusted properly in that way all the other wages will need to be adjusted as well.
Like I mentioned before why work in an office with a college degree for ~20$ an hour if you're saying minimum wage workers should be making ~20$ an hour?
Every category of salary will need to be adjusted to maintain an economy that makes sense. It's not like a 50 cent increase to minimum wage we occasionally see now and then...
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Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-30 12:32
Quote from Osayidan;1142193:
That still won't happen, if minimum wage is adjusted properly in that way all the other wages will need to be adjusted as well.
Like I mentioned before why work in an office with a college degree for ~20$ an hour if you're saying minimum wage workers should be making ~20$ an hour?
Every category of salary will need to be adjusted to maintain an economy that makes sense. It's not like a 50 cent increase to minimum wage we occasionally see now and then...
That in itself would eventually increase the rate of inflation wouldn't it? As more money would go into circulation to compensate for all the wage increases. That's just my guess anyways. Not really sure of all the intricacies involved with inflation.
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Juno wrote on 2013-08-30 13:21
Regardless of pay, skilled labor will always have better job security. Though, I suspect the heart of this issue lies outside of actual wages...perhaps unavoidable costs are too high or money management is a lost art.
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Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2013-08-30 16:08
Quote from Juno;1142206:
high or money management is a lost art.
That's probably part of it, another part being that people lack the skills to get better jobs.
Jobs like McDonalds arent -supposed- to pay enough to support a family. They are supposed to pay enough for some noob out of highschool to live off of until they can get a better job, and they do. The problem is people who never went to college/finished highschool who have full families they are expecting to be able to support off of McDonalds salary and then getting mad that they can't.
I know there are some people who take the job because they cant find a better job and have no other choice, but those aren't the people I'm talking about. I'm talking about the ones who because of their own bad decisions can't work anywhere but McDonalds and then blame the company for their own choices.
My friend who worked in fast food for years had this to say about the issue - "You shouldn't start a family or make a 15-year career out of fast food. If you're trying to support a family of four on McDonald's wages, the problem is with you, not with the fast food restaurants. Anyone who expects to get the same pay as a police officer or paramedic for slapping pre-made frozen patties on buns can kiss my ass."
(So even people who worked in fast food agree that what they did wasn't worth $15 an hour)
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Campylobacter jejuni wrote on 2013-08-30 16:31
Quote from Osayidan;1142020:
I don't care either way but this isn't going to happen, ever (not counting inflation over the years).
If you increase the wages of fast food workers to what lower level office jobs and similar level of work are earning then why in the fuck would anyone get an education to get into said jobs? Everyone's just going to go flip burgers instead unless they have the motivation to get into more skilled jobs that pay higher.
For the same reason not everybody is currently working in marketing or as a musician.
The market does not have the capacity. It is not possible in a market-driven economy. Not just not feasible. Simply not possible.
It's also not the most exciting job in the world. I want to see you flipping beef standing in front of a hot grill all day, all week, all year, all life. Do you think people just take jobs for the money?
UHM, NEWS FLASH, NO! Wow!
People are also exaggerating how much wages actually contribute to the price. There are rents, orders, electricity, marketing, taxes, and probably a whole lot more to pay. Increasing wages to 15$ will not result in an economic necessity to double or triple prices.