[KR Event] Attendance Event!

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Psy wrote on 2013-09-07 07:55

Quote from Krystalys;1145244:
Going to put in the AP amounts? :hypno:

He said they don't list AP amounts, you're going to have to wait 6 more days to find out.
Krystalys wrote on 2013-09-07 13:20

Quote from Psy;1145261:
He said they don't list AP amounts, you're going to have to wait 6 more days to find out.

No. I already said what they are. http://mabination.com/threads/74799-KR-Event-Attendance-Event!?p=1145058&viewfull=1#post1145058
Taycat wrote on 2013-09-07 15:14

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Quote from Krystalys;1145309:
No. I already said what they are. http://mabination.com/threads/74799-KR-Event-Attendance-Event!?p=1145058&viewfull=1#post1145058

Have any proof to back up your claims?
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Kenero wrote on 2013-09-07 15:20

The animation for those nurses and doctor costumes...
Krystalys wrote on 2013-09-07 15:47

Quote from Taycat;1145333:
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Have any proof to back up your claims?
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The patch said so;

<AttendanceSet ID="2" TotalDay="30" ColCount="5">
<Gift Day="3" ClassID="85582" Option="count:5"/>
<Gift Day="5" ClassID="91892" Option="count:2"/>
<Gift Day="7" ClassID="12302" Option="count:3"/>
<Gift Day="9" ClassID="85564" Option="ap:25"/>
<Gift Day="11" ClassID="2070" Option="count:3000"/>
<Gift Day="13" ClassID="63712" Option=""/>
<Gift Day="15" ClassID="85559" Option=""/>
<Gift Day="17" ClassID="85582" Option="count:10"/>
<Gift Day="19" ClassID="91892" Option="count:3"/>
<Gift Day="21" ClassID="12303" Option="count:3"/>
<Gift Day="23" ClassID="85564" Option="ap:50"/>
<Gift Day="25" ClassID="2070" Option="count:5000"/>
<Gift Day="27" ClassID="85148" Option=""/>
<Gift Day="29" ClassID="85559" Option="count:3"/>
<Gift Day="30" ClassID="92315" Option=""/>
</AttendanceSet>
Herro wrote on 2013-09-07 15:49

Quote from Krystalys;1145348:
The patch said so;

Patches have been known to be wrong (Trust me on this one...) So ill personally hold off on it until i chug the first one.
Krystalys wrote on 2013-09-07 16:23

Patch notes are just as likely to be wrong just as frequently. It's better to put the information we have available to us than pretend to be absolutely ignorant. Everyone knows "subject to change" is the law of the universe.

What's the worst that can happen if it changes last minute? This isn't life or death here. Hell, 98% of people here won't be impacted by it until it moves to NA so that's plenty of time to revise it if necessary. There is such a thing as "as accurate as we know at the time". The truth isn't "(unidentified on how much it gives)", it's "Unconfirmed that it gives x"
Taycat wrote on 2013-09-07 16:34

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Quote from Krystalys;1145356:
Patch notes are just as likely to be wrong just as frequently. It's better to put the information we have available to us than pretend to be absolutely ignorant. Everyone knows "subject to change" is the law of the universe.

What's the worst that can happen if it changes last minute? This isn't life or death here. Hell, 98% of people here won't be impacted by it until it moves to NA so that's plenty of time to revise it if necessary. There is such a thing as "as accurate as we know at the time". The truth isn't "(unidentified on how much it gives)", it's "Unconfirmed that it gives x"

My question is why you're so huffy about us choosing not to put any information unless we're given proof or find it out ourselves? o~o[/SIZE]
Krystalys wrote on 2013-09-07 16:43

Quote from Taycat;1145358:
[SIZE="3"]My question is why you're so huffy about us choosing not to put any information unless we're given proof or find it out ourselves? o~o[/SIZE]

Because you're not the only people the universe. Did you seriously just imply that unless one of your own team members found it originally you'd rather keep an omission than admit you missed something? Sorry, I thought the purpose here was to share information, not a pissing contest over who found what. You had a gap in the info your team presented, I provided the answer expecting you to be happy to complete the chink and have the most complete information available.

You were given proof, though. You have no more proof for any of those items that haven't occurred yet than what was provided for the AP amounts. 'Nexon/devcat said so' isn't any more reliable than 'the client files said so', so lets not pretend it is. Anything in the files is easily verified evidence that your team can just go look at and confirm. Excluding it because it wasn't originally found by your team just makes the team look shallow and petty.
Taycat wrote on 2013-09-07 16:48

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Quote from Krystalys;1145359:
Because you're not the only people the universe. Did you seriously just imply that unless one of your own team members found it originally you'd rather keep an omission than admit you missed something? Sorry, I thought the purpose here was to share information, not a pissing contest over who found what. You had a gap in the info your team presented, I provided the answer expecting you to be happy to complete the chink and have the most complete information available.

You were given proof, though. You have no more proof for any of those items that haven't occurred yet than what was provided for the AP amounts. 'Nexon/devcat said so' isn't any more reliable than 'the client files said so', so lets not pretend it is. Anything in the files is easily verified evidence that your team can just go look at and confirm. Excluding it because it wasn't originally found by your team just makes the team look shallow and petty.

The fact of the matter is, we are always to take patch notes with a grain of salt. We cannot always trust what we've found or are given.
I'm sorry we can't appease to you and put exactly what you've found because you want us to put it.
Hopefully you understand what I'm getting at.[/SIZE]
Krystalys wrote on 2013-09-07 16:56

Quote from Taycat;1145362:

The fact of the matter is, we are always to take patch notes with a grain of salt. We cannot always trust what we've found or are given.
I'm sorry we can't appease to you and put exactly what you've found because you want us to put it.
Hopefully you understand what I'm getting at.

No. I don't.
You can't trust anything you're given, whether from the notes or the data, so why publish anything at all?
What is the point of your team even existing?

I in my naivete thought it was to serve the site and fans by providing information about what's going on and what's coming, but from this exchange it really seems like you're just there to selectively release pieces of information you arbitrarily decide on and pretend that anything anyone outside the team tries to contribute doesn't meet your standards.
Taycat wrote on 2013-09-07 16:56

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Quote from Krystalys;1145366:
No. I don't.
You can't trust anything you're given, whether from the notes or the data, so why publish anything at all?
What is the point of your team even existing?

I in my naivete thought it was to serve the site and fans by providing information about what's going on and what's coming, but from this exchange it really seems like you're just there to selectively release pieces of information you arbitrarily decide on and pretend that anything anyone outside the team tries to contribute doesn't meet your standards.

[Image: http://i.imgur.com/azYEUgG.png]

I think I understand what you're trying to say.
You want us to post your findings because you want to flaunt yourself around as the guy that got it right or whatever.
I'll have you know that we do research on things.
We take our time with things.
We don't just dig around and post everything we find and come to find out that they're fucking lies later.[/SIZE]
Taycat wrote on 2013-09-07 16:57

Quote from Krystalys;1145366:
No. I don't.
You can't trust anything you're given, whether from the notes or the data, so why publish anything at all?
What is the point of your team even existing?

I in my naivete thought it was to serve the site and fans by providing information about what's going on and what's coming, but from this exchange it really seems like you're just there to selectively release pieces of information you arbitrarily decide on and pretend that anything anyone outside the team tries to contribute doesn't meet your standards.

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Kenero wrote on 2013-09-07 17:06

Quote from Krystalys;1145366:
No. I don't.
You can't trust anything you're given, whether from the notes or the data, so why publish anything at all?
What is the point of your team even existing?

I in my naivete thought it was to serve the site and fans by providing information about what's going on and what's coming, but from this exchange it really seems like you're just there to selectively release pieces of information you arbitrarily decide on and pretend that anything anyone outside the team tries to contribute doesn't meet your standards.

First, I would like to apologize for any rude behaviors you have found offensive with the KR Team. We do not mean to antagonist you, but I would like first to see if we can come to an understanding. Please work with me so I can understand your position better.

First, we appreciate the help you want to give through pack file diving and obtaining information about AP. You even took magnificant time to properly order it and present it to us. While I do appreciate the information and have discussed with it among the team, we first just want to confirm it with in-game proof.

We are not calling you a liar, in fact, I personally feel you've been a great asset in ordering things for us so we can do a more in-depth research in-game.

Would it be okay with you if we hold unto your findings and find in-game proof and logs before we announce it in one of our threads (with credits to you of course)?

We often get a lot of information with our team, even from well-known reliable sources, but we always want to double-check just in case things may change or may not appear what it is. It is the decision of the upper management of the KR Team to always do confirmation research. We are not a perfect team, as you say, but we always want to try to improve the quality of our findings, even a tiny bit every time.

Thanks for your time and once again, sorry for any frustrations we have caused you.
Krystalys wrote on 2013-09-07 18:09

Quote from Taycat;1145367:
You want us to post your findings because you want to flaunt yourself around as the guy that got it right or whatever.

Oh yes, because wanting "(unidentified on how much it gives)" changed to 25 and 50 respectively is asking for so much credit and recognition how could not the entire forum fall to their knees in awe of the glory of me? How dare me ask for such unreasonable things as complete info. :bye:

Quote from Kenero;1145371:

Would it be okay with you if we hold unto your findings and find in-game proof and logs before we announce it in one of our threads (with credits to you of course)?

I don't need any credit; you had a minor gap in an area I had just looked at on patch day and I was happy to fill it in. Until it was ignored and then the reason for ignoring it came across as some bizarre form of elitism. I'm accustomed to a much more open exchange of information.

I will probably continue to point out missing pieces if I find any, and appreciate your apology, but this has rather tarnished my opinion of your team, because if Taycat there is willing to say it, how many of your members, new and old alike, are equally full of themselves and just not immature and obnoxious enough to have put it out there? For someone newly joined to your team Tay has made a spectacularly bad impression for what your group is all about and comes across as having joined purely to feel superior to everyone else. If that's a common, even if unspoken, theme among the members I am happier having decided not to apply. Hopefully time will soften that impression and give a better perspective, but it's worth noting this whole exchange was public and I doubt I'm the only one who was appalled here.

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