About melee equipment.

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Krito wrote on 2013-09-24 17:09

Can you write the 1h and 2h weapons which are the best for each race?

As I have seen battle swords are good for human 1h and dual wielding.

But I don't know which weapons are good for human 2h, giant 1-2h and elf 1h.
Cyrene wrote on 2013-09-24 17:40

Eh. I Believe what weapon depends on your play style and what you can afford. Humans/Giants end up using lances over dual wielding endgame any day. Specifically Giants.

I've seen a lot of these which is the best threads coming from you.. Strictly endgame meleers will be using lances besides elves. If your an elf get a caladbolg or an elisnore and a shield. But elf melee probably won't end up being your primary. You can easily surpass elf melee with other skill sets without paying as much. Though that doesn't mean elf melee is useless.

Also if your a human and don't like the play style of lances then all you can do is use is R6 battles or caladbolgs if you have the ducats or an Elisnore. Both those are expensive and you can get a Knight lance for cheap.
Kaeporo wrote on 2013-09-24 18:05

Lance (10/10) - Incredible Piercing Abilities, High Damage

Giant:
- Elemental 6 Level R6 Secret Penetrating Languhiris Bonebreaker
- w/Oblivion Alteration Avon Shield
- w/Oblivion Alteration Vales Shield

Human:
- Elemental 6 Level R6 Secret Penetrating Languhiris Bonebreaker

Dual Wield (5/10) - High damage, no pierce, difficult to obtain and maintain

Giant:
- Elemental 3 Level Spirit Iron Mace
- Elemental 3 Level R6 Wyllow Dominator Warhammer

Human
- Elemental 3 Level Tearjerker Garden Upgraded Green Onion
- Elemental 3 Level Spirit Bastard Sword
- Elemental 3 Level R6 Wyllow Dominator Demonic Death Knight Sword
- Elemental 3 Level Sword of Elsinore

Two-handed Sword: (6/10) - High damage, limited pierce, 1 Rank Highlander Claymores are dirt cheap

- Elemental 6 Level R6 Necromancer Crocodile Bhafel Slayer
- Elemental 6 Level R6 Lich Crocodile Highlander Claymore
- Spirit Dragon Fang
Kouhai wrote on 2013-09-25 06:47

Wouldn't a demonic oculus lance be better in terms of damage?

don't forget smash20 and windmill20 into the reforge for lances.

The bone-lance freezing ability sounds broken as hell.
Gensokyou wrote on 2013-09-25 07:58

I don't quite remember exactly. But I remember doing a bit of thinkig on it earlier.

I believe that a cartel penetrating smithed occulus lance is better then a bonebreaker lance due to the piercing cap - marginally. However, the repair would be around 100k per point - not to mention the rarity of cartel. A secret penetrating bonebreaker lance achieves the same piercing but loses a few max in exchange for being a lot easier and a LOT cheaper.

Unless you have unlimited funds, there comes a point where anything can be unfeasable due to money.
radionoise wrote on 2013-09-25 18:44

Quote from Gensokyou;1152555:
bonebreaker lance achieves the same piercing but loses a few max

u wot m8

Ice Dragon Lance is stronger than demonic. Even if it only has Secret and the demonic one had the better Cartel enchant.

Cartel Penetrating Demonic Lance: 9 piercing, 106 max (weapon) + 25 (enchants) = 131 max. It also has the WORST minimum distance limitation and that alone makes it inferior to Knight Lance. 92k repair per point.

Secret Penetrating Ice Lance: 9 piercing, 118 max (weapon) + 17 (enchants) = 135 max. It also has the BEST minimum distance limitation. 19k repair per point.

Moral of the story: demonic sucks. Get a Knight or an Ice Lance.
Mimellia wrote on 2013-09-25 19:56

Quote from radionoise;1152690:
u wot m8

Ice Dragon Lance is stronger than demonic. Even if it only has Secret and the demonic one had the better Cartel enchant.

Cartel Penetrating Demonic Lance: 9 piercing, 106 max (weapon) + 25 (enchants) = 131 max. It also has the WORST minimum distance limitation and that alone makes it inferior to Knight Lance. 92k repair per point.

Secret Penetrating Ice Lance: 9 piercing, 118 max (weapon) + 17 (enchants) = 135 max. It also has the BEST minimum distance limitation. 19k repair per point.

Moral of the story: demonic sucks. Get a Knight or an Ice Lance.

w8 wat

Ice lance is only better if every damn roll is max, EVERY, ROLL, and it's hard enough getting the mats without some people blowing them up or cooking them all the time, it's an inconvenient weapon to get, and you do know that even with the position lag some people get, farther distance on a lance is a GOOD thing? I like stabbing something 3 times then smashing from an almost gunner distance.

I'd also like to point out that if you do get a lance, grab a demonic over a knight, cuz an extra 19 or 20 max is nothing to laugh at, plus the extra artisan max rolls are cool, and they're common enough to buy at like 300k and they look nice. I mean you don't have to throw cartel on it, since the enchant itself it rarer than the ice lance. One more thing to point out is that with lance mastery, it's a 4 HIT WEAPON.

The repair cost is manageable with raids and commercing and SMs, plus the lances are so common now you won't even have to waste es protection, just blow up a few lances with the secret enchant.

Moral of the story: Demonic is powerful and amazing looking, knight lance is mediocre, and ice lance is only better if you're extremely lucky and get max rolls on everything.
radionoise wrote on 2013-09-25 20:14

Quote from Mimellia;1152704:
w8 wat

Ice lance is only better if every damn roll is max, EVERY, ROLL, and it's hard enough getting the mats without some people blowing them up or cooking them all the time, it's an inconvenient weapon to get, and you do know that even with the position lag some people get, farther distance on a lance is a GOOD thing? I like stabbing something 3 times then smashing from an almost gunner distance.

I'd also like to point out that if you do get a lance, grab a demonic over a knight, cuz an extra 19 or 20 max is nothing to laugh at, plus the extra artisan max rolls are cool, and they're common enough to buy at like 300k and they look nice. I mean you don't have to throw cartel on it, since the enchant itself it rarer than the ice lance. One more thing to point out is that with lance mastery, it's a 4 HIT WEAPON.

The repair cost is manageable with raids and commercing and SMs, plus the lances are so common now you won't even have to waste es protection, just blow up a few lances with the secret enchant.

Moral of the story: Demonic is powerful and amazing looking, knight lance is mediocre, and ice lance is only better if you're extremely lucky and get max rolls on everything.

>Ice lance is only better if every damn roll is max, EVERY, ROLL
No, only max dmg. Doesn't have to be max either. Even then, there's all the other attributes and higher piercing.

>you do know that even with the position lag some people get, farther distance on a lance is a GOOD thing?
No, I don't because it's not true. The more you lag, the lower the minimum distance penalty is the better.

>One more thing to point out is that with lance mastery, it's a 4 HIT WEAPON.
And more hits = bad because it means less stuns for skills. This is basic knowledge, and you're only further proving how it's a bad lance. Though I don't even know how it's supposed to get 4 hits as you claim.

>The repair cost is manageable
92k a point is never manageable, it's just stupid.

>Moral of the story: Demonic sucks
fix'd
Yanm wrote on 2013-09-25 21:43

I believe they were talking about N+1. . .which unless the mob is literally on its last legs, I'm not sure why you'd do that.
Kenero wrote on 2013-09-25 21:49

I have to go with Radi on this one.

If you can get bonebreaker, it will be very good. Knight Lance as second.

Demonic Lance is stronger but the repair and the upkeep is no doubt expensive.

Ideally you should go with a bonebreaker with better max than the Demonic Lance, but a few points wouldn't hurt. The special ability is also nice.
Mimellia wrote on 2013-09-25 22:20

Quote from radionoise;1152708:
>Ice lance is only better if every damn roll is max, EVERY, ROLL
No, only max dmg. Doesn't have to be max either. Even then, there's all the other attributes and higher piercing.

>you do know that even with the position lag some people get, farther distance on a lance is a GOOD thing?
No, I don't because it's not true. The more you lag, the lower the minimum distance penalty is the better.

>One more thing to point out is that with lance mastery, it's a 4 HIT WEAPON.
And more hits = bad because it means less stuns for skills. This is basic knowledge, and you're only further proving how it's a bad lance. Though I don't even know how it's supposed to get 4 hits as you claim.

>The repair cost is manageable
92k a point is never manageable, it's just stupid.

>Moral of the story: Demonic sucks
fix'd

You're saying all this like the ice lance is easier to get than the demonic... and I'd love to see the person who picks a knight lance over a demonic, also it's easy to Attack>Smash even if it is a 4 hit, it just leaves a lot more room for combos.

and I dunno why you're so set on saying demonics suck, just because you don't use one.
radionoise wrote on 2013-09-25 22:26

Quote from Mimellia;1152747:
I'd love to see the person who picks a knight lance over a demonic

Then that would be a smart person because they could have lv 9 piercing without paying 92k a point, or simply not be further limited by lance's only real weakness which is minimum distance - not damage.

And again, I don't see how demonic is a 4 hit weapon, but if it somehow is for you, then that just makes it worse because the higher # of hits a weapon has the lower the stun and the crappier it is in general usage.
ironwoman wrote on 2013-09-25 22:38

Quote from Mimellia;1152747:
You're saying all this like the ice lance is easier to get than the demonic... and I'd love to see the person who picks a knight lance over a demonic, also it's easy to Attack>Smash even if it is a 4 hit, it just leaves a lot more room for combos.

and I dunno why you're so set on saying demonics suck, just because you don't use one.

I do. I'd use Knight Lance instead of demonic, and so do at least 95% of other lance users.
Let's rephrase it a little. Demonics don't suck, rather just really inefficient.
Would a normal player really be willing to pay 98k per repair, just for 20 max? I'd think that's extremely inefficient.
Sure, demonic has great damage, but efficiency wise, Knight Lance is just so much better. You've got same piercing, and by the time you're wielding a lance, that 20 max shouldn't matter too much for you. To give you an idea, Knight lance still costs less at 98% than repairing demonic at 95%. If you're looking for a lance you're gonna be using for a long time, knight lance is the answer, unless you plan to pour your NX into repair protection.

Now why is dragon lance ideal? First of all, you don't have to hunt for cartel. I know it's not the downright toughest enchants to get out of lord missions, but why would you even try to get that when you can get max piercing on dragon lance with just SP, and MUCH less repair cost? Obviously, this lance is gonna last you longer.

Also, lances are not four hits, even with lance mastery. I don't know where you get this, and I don't really see any reason to N+Smash alot when you can kill mobs in one smash, so hit number should be pretty irrelevant. I still don't see where you get 4 hit, because every demonics I see are 3, with lance mastery.
darkninja34 wrote on 2013-09-25 22:52

I just saw a demonic lance on the board with 3 hits, +1 from r9 mastery gives 4 hits. I guess the NPC shit grade from Saga has differences in attack hit numbers? Weird. That should only be the case if it were smithed or something.
radionoise wrote on 2013-09-25 22:54

Quote from darkninja34;1152758:
I just saw a demonic lance on the board with 3 hits, +1 from r9 mastery gives 4 hits. I guess the NPC shit grade from Saga has differences in attack hit numbers? Weird. That should only be the case if it were smithed or something.

If that's the case, then that makes the crap grade saga lances even worse. Though it's possible that it just appeared that way because you already have that rank of lance mastery.

And smithing a proper demonic lance is way, way more difficult than crafting an ice dragon lance.

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