Max/Min Damage Enchants

• Schezo wrote on 2010-08-20 17:22
  This has been baffling me for ages now that I thought about it more...:what:
  
  I know Max/Min Damage buffs MELEE damage, but does it affect the other mediums of attacking like Archery, Magic or Alchemy?
  
  On the same note, I've been staring down at the Caliburn Enchant-that-I have-but-not-exactly-in-my-inventory trying to decide on a weapon host and doesn't ravage my wallet too much. My main methods of attack are more often than not Alchemy or Melee.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-08-20 17:26
  Yes, the Max/Min damage definitely adds to Archery. (Just look at how the Range Damage range increases).
  If you didn't know, you must equip a range weapon to see your Range Damage range.
  
  However, for magic, there is a formula that shows it will add, but the difference is negligible.
  
  

  Quote from Wiki:

  # For Bolt magics, this is calculated by:
  
  * Bolt Magic min Damage = Spell min damage + Minimum damage enchants*Spell Damage Constant + Wand min damage + Int bonus
  * Bolt Magic max Damage = Spell max damage + Maximum damage enchants*Spell Damage Constant + Wand max damage + Int bonus
  
  # For Adv magics, this is calculated by:
  
  * Intermediate Magic Min Damage = Spell min damage + Minimum damage enchants*Spell Damage Constant + Wand min damage/(100-STR Lv)
  * Intermediate Magic Max Damage = Spell max damage + Maximum damage enchants*Spell Damage Constant + Wand max damage/(100-STR Lv)
  * STR Lv refers to Ego Strength Level. This is assumed to be 0 for non-ego wands.
  
  # The Damage Spell Constants are as follows:
  
  * Icebolt: 0.07
  * Firebolt: 0.38
  * Lightningbolt: 0.42
  * Ice Spear: 0.1
  * Fireball: 0.48
  * Thunder: 0.6
  
  

  
  
  Found here
  
  As for alchemy, I would say no since there is the +elemental max enchants. However, it is hard to tell the different between adding no damage, and adding very little to the point it is negligible amount of damage.
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-08-20 17:29
  Max/Min damage enchant always increase meele/range damage
  
  Alchemy, less than meele/range since the formula is like dmg es + charged alchemy (alchemic dmg + skill rank dmg). (don't quote me on that because i forgot the exact formula)
  
  For magic, even if the dmg es increase magic dmg, it is sooooo small that it is negligible. You are better off with mana increasing es.
• Zid wrote on 2010-08-20 23:43
  Coefficient for +dmg enchants for Melee/Ranged/Alchemy is 1. In other words,
  
  (specific skill set's calculated dmg) + dmg enchant * 1.
  
  Where 1 is the coefficient of +dmg enchants.
  
  Magic has differing coefficients depending on what spell you use, except Blaze. As you can see from the list, all of those coefficients are less than 1. Meaning the +dmg enchants buffs to Magic is nerfed compared to the other fields.
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-08-21 00:09

  Quote from Zid;132295:

  Coefficient for +dmg enchants for Melee/Ranged/Alchemy is 1. In other words,
  
  (specific skill set's calculated dmg) + dmg enchant * 1.
  
  Where 1 is the coefficient of +dmg enchants.
  
  Magic has differing coefficients depending on what spell you use, except Blaze. As you can see from the list, all of those coefficients are less than 1. Meaning the +dmg enchants buffs to Magic is nerfed compared to the other fields.

  
  
  alchemy has different damage calculation than range/meele
• Zid wrote on 2010-08-21 00:16

  Quote from abc33kr;132319:

  alchemy has different damage calculation than range/meele

  
  
  You mean the special enchants that boosts an elemental attribute's dmg? Like Soggy?
  
  It's still a coefficient of 1.
  
  Although, Shadow Hero title's dmg boost also applies. I tested it out and it boosted my Novice rank Water Cannon.
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-08-21 00:36

  Quote from Zid;132326:

  You mean the special enchants that boosts an elemental attribute's dmg? Like Soggy?
  
  It's still a coefficient of 1.
  
  Although, Shadow Hero title's dmg boost also applies. I tested it out and it boosted my Novice rank Water Cannon.

  
  
  Found the equation I was looking for. While it is true that both alchemic dmg es and dmg es work for alchemy, dmg es does to smaller degree.
  
  
  {X차지 x( 연금술 스킬 데미지 + 속성 데미지 )} + 맥스 데미지 - 상대방의 방어
  
  Translated
  {X Charge *(Alchemic skill dmg + alchemic dmg es)} + max dmg - mob defense
  
  so at one charge, max dmg would affect as much as alchemy dmg, but as you charge more, max dmg matter less.
• Zid wrote on 2010-08-21 00:48

  Quote from abc33kr;132346:

  Found the equation I was looking for. While it is true that both alchemic dmg es and dmg es work for alchemy, dmg es does to smaller degree.
  
  
  {X차지 x( 연금술 스킬 데미지 + 속성 데미지 )} + 맥스 데미지 - 상대방의 방어
  
  Translated
  {X Charge *(Alchemic skill dmg + alchemic dmg es)} + max dmg - mob defense
  
  so at one charge, max dmg would affect as much as alchemy dmg, but as you charge more, max dmg matter less.

  
  
  That's pretty intriguing. It's better than the current Magic formula (and still keeps the coefficient of 1). I assume it's different for Sand Burst though?
  
  Well, this means all of the Cylinders' displayed dmg range doesn't contribute to Alchemy dmg like how Wands' displayed dmg does for Bolt Magic dmg.
  
  Also, where does the different elementally attributed Cylinders fall into that formula?