Soloing G1?

• ironwoman wrote on 2013-11-08 18:53

  Quote from Homin;1167391:

  Wow, I never knew that a total lvl of 600+ can do 1,500+ smash :!!:. (4,500+ Cri)
  
  That's true, the golem have been nerf so much. But with only about 200+ AP, if you can mastered in controling golem. You can take out almost every monster in the field.
  
  The golem is not that bad. But with most situation that you need to control your character (like in dungeon or shadow mission), the summon golem can't do anything then take aggro of 1 - 2 mob (or take aggro of the boss).
  
  I thinking of when alchemist updated to NA. The golem can be control when you still control yourself (Alchemist only). It would be awesome to have golem tank all the mob and you just water cannon (or flame) them to death.
  
  PS. I really recommanded finding a party too. It's an online game, so most of the mission is not make for solo.

  
  
  It's a game where total 700 can do close to 7~8k with right set up. Hell, I was able to do 10k in trans when I was around 1.3k, and that was before talents.
  
  With only golem ranked, you'll find damage is pretty lulzbad. Might as well just use water cannon spam instead. So yeah, golem's pretty bad when a total 500~700 can beat it easily.
  
  If you have a battle pegasus, use it, because it will chunk out their HP. The only things that won't die from the pegasus are the gargoyles.
• frncsjhnhawaii wrote on 2013-11-09 01:33

  Quote from bellcourt;1167529:

  
  P.s. & Edit: Your time argument just died :p

  
  You don't know me or my time constraints. This thread was made to ask a few questions, not to make an argument to the reason I am wanting to solo it. I want to play the game but I don't know when I can be on. Also, when I am online, I don't want to be semi-afk just waiting for party members.
• Laintine wrote on 2013-11-09 03:20
  Just to note, the G1 storyline encourages you to tackle the final with other players, in line with the whole "three warriors" theme that goes on throughout the narrative. Only raising this because you seemed to be concerned about illegitimizing the experience.
• Aliyah wrote on 2013-11-09 03:24

  Quote from Laintine;1167696:

  Just to note, the G1 storyline encourages you to tackle the final with other players, in line with the whole "three warriors" theme that goes on throughout the narrative. Only raising this because you seemed to be concerned about illegitimizing the the experience.

  
  
  ^
  Running it with 1-2 other newbies was the most fun imo
• frncsjhnhawaii wrote on 2013-11-09 07:42

  Quote from Laintine;1167696:

  Just to note, the G1 storyline encourages you to tackle the final with other players, in line with the whole "three warriors" theme that goes on throughout the narrative. Only raising this because you seemed to be concerned about illegitimizing the experience.

  
  
  Thank you, finding newbies around my level will be tough but I'll try to add that to my list of things to do.
• Homin wrote on 2013-11-09 09:52

  Quote from ironwoman;1167543:

  It's a game where total 700 can do close to 7~8k with right set up. Hell, I was able to do 10k in trans when I was around 1.3k, and that was before talents.
  
  With only golem ranked, you'll find damage is pretty lulzbad. Might as well just use water cannon spam instead. So yeah, golem's pretty bad when a total 500~700 can beat it easily.
  
  If you have a battle pegasus, use it, because it will chunk out their HP. The only things that won't die from the pegasus are the gargoyles.

  
  
  Maybe I'm just miscalculated something. And that 'Right set up', how expensive are they? I'm just new to mabinogi too. But I think with rank 1 smash and rank 1 critical hit may do 7,000 - 8,000 damage... (and that consume a lot of AP and time)
  
  But really!? total level of 700 can do 7,000 - 8,000 damage!? I really want to know which skill they're rank and which equipment they're on (and that even before talent!?). Because right now with my rank 1 windmill and a total str of around 200+ can only done about 250 - 300 damage (450 - 700 cri).
  
  PS. I'm at total level of 700+ right now. I still need a lot of time to fight that 'Ancient Black Grizzly Bear' and it's wounded me a lot even with rank 1 heavy armor mastery and rank 1 defense. I still get 10 - 20 damage when defense (40 - 50 cri).
  
  Edit : I don't want to start new reply and bump this up. But I really want the answer for my question. Maybe I rank wrong skill, or using wrong equipment. So I want to know the 'Right set up' that ironwoman talking about.
  
  Yesterday (the day after this 'original post' has been post), I went into Hard mode Shadow mission. I can do water cannon (rank 1) about 1,500 - 2,500 damage (2,500 - 4,000 Cri) depend on which enermy I attacked. Water cannon can do some job done with 'Chain Cylinder' activated, and shoot out really fast. Then I tried to used 'Summon Golem' Rank 1.
  
  The golem can do about 1,200 - 1,700 damage smash (4,000 - 6,500 Cri) which is really low when compare to pure water cannon. But like I said in the last post (which I believe you already read it), the summon golem is the one if you looking for a way to fight hard monster at begin or mid-game. A beginner or level 400 - 500 hardly do any damage to Hard mode monster. But golem can be a tank and even can take out some monster in 1 hit (cri), which I believe hard mode is somewhat at the beginning of end-game user (or a total level of 1,000+).
  
  PS. If you want to do somuch damage with 'Water Cannon' (like I do). You have to waste some AP on Magic mastery to increase your MP. With the MP of 400+ you can do about 1,000 - 1,500 damage water cannon. As water cannon use 30% of your current MP in base damage calculation.
• ironwoman wrote on 2013-11-13 16:34

  Quote from Homin;1167802:

  Maybe I'm just miscalculated something. And that 'Right set up', how expensive are they? I'm just new to mabinogi too. But I think with rank 1 smash and rank 1 critical hit may do 7,000 - 8,000 damage... (and that consume a lot of AP and time)
  
  But really!? total level of 700 can do 7,000 - 8,000 damage!? I really want to know which skill they're rank and which equipment they're on (and that even before talent!?). Because right now with my rank 1 windmill and a total str of around 200+ can only done about 250 - 300 damage (450 - 700 cri).
  
  PS. I'm at total level of 700+ right now. I still need a lot of time to fight that 'Ancient Black Grizzly Bear' and it's wounded me a lot even with rank 1 heavy armor mastery and rank 1 defense. I still get 10 - 20 damage when defense (40 - 50 cri).
  
  Edit : I don't want to start new reply and bump this up. But I really want the answer for my question. Maybe I rank wrong skill, or using wrong equipment. So I want to know the 'Right set up' that ironwoman talking about.
  
  Yesterday (the day after this 'original post' has been post), I went into Hard mode Shadow mission. I can do water cannon (rank 1) about 1,500 - 2,500 damage (2,500 - 4,000 Cri) depend on which enermy I attacked. Water cannon can do some job done with 'Chain Cylinder' activated, and shoot out really fast. Then I tried to used 'Summon Golem' Rank 1.
  
  The golem can do about 1,200 - 1,700 damage smash (4,000 - 6,500 Cri) which is really low when compare to pure water cannon. But like I said in the last post (which I believe you already read it), the summon golem is the one if you looking for a way to fight hard monster at begin or mid-game. A beginner or level 400 - 500 hardly do any damage to Hard mode monster. But golem can be a tank and even can take out some monster in 1 hit (cri), which I believe hard mode is somewhat at the beginning of end-game user (or a total level of 1,000+).
  
  PS. If you want to do somuch damage with 'Water Cannon' (like I do). You have to waste some AP on Magic mastery to increase your MP. With the MP of 400+ you can do about 1,000 - 1,500 damage water cannon. As water cannon use 30% of your current MP in base damage calculation.

  
  
  You're obviously not pure melee, there's your problem. If you think 200 str is good enough to run HM missions, that's a mistake. Even I had higher str without talents back then. Your windmill is only hitting 250-300, of course it won't be as good as golem. Although this has changed slightly during the enlightenment update, alch is more of an early-game shining class... even though it gains damage from stats now, it'll still be inferior to other classes in terms of damage.
  
  And no, my gear wasn't the most expensive back then. Around level 800-900, I believe I had around 330 max dual wielding, and I believe I was using broads back then. I had Vine Delusional hat, basic avenger armor, fleet hard peaca boots, expansive elegant gaunts (I still use the same thing, except I burned this one to put on thames), extraordinary glass fragment clothes, and corundum sonnet accs. My broads were 222, goddess caliburn, both r5. I just know at some point I switched to battles, which increased my max by about 40. At level 800-900, I was smashing about 5-6.5k crit, and at 1.3k, around when thames set finally got introduced, that's when I was able to hit 10k with trans, although with the thames set I normally didn't use back then. Granted, I was pure melee back then, only range and AR ranked for some dex and str in archery. Keep in mind reforges didn't even exist back then. If we were to factor in talent bonuses at level 800-900, even with my mediocre set up, you could be hitting about 6-7.5k. We all know that there are better gears today for not necessarily high price, as well as reforges if you want, since rank 2 and rank 1 reforged 2h swords are so abundant. So as of today's "right set-up and reforges", you'd be hitting higher than I would back in the days with my mediocre set up, not to mention you get AP from just about everywhere. With just the right skills ranked and right gears, you could really be hitting 10k without trans pre-1k. If this is the case, then I wouldn't really see any problem with this person being able to solo HM missions, just by breezing through windmill. If someone is REALLY invested, chance is that they could do 10k even before they hit total 600 mark, but that would be thanks to reforges, so not really gonna take that into account.
  
  To the OP, I really suggest you don't rank golem. It's rather a waste of AP if you're using it just to pass through G1, and even if you're an alchemist, you'd find that water cannon and flame burst are better. I haven't seen any alchs use golem seriously. If you want something like golems, just rank melee and range first along with few life skills, then get into puppetry, it's much more damage (as well as good tankiness).
• Homin wrote on 2013-11-13 17:20
  Thank you for the enlightment to me XD.
  
  As you say I'm not pure melee cause I didn't rank 'Combat Mastery' and 'Smash'. But I had 'Sword mastery' and 'Windmill' both at rank 1. I'm not even an alchemist cause I didn't rank 'Alchemy mastery' and any of alchemy element other then Golem, Water and Flame. I don't even a mage cause I didn't rank any spell other then 'Mana shield'. I'm not puppeteer even I have rank 1 dolls.
  
  [S]There is one thing that you may misunderstand. I'll just let's that slide, since I already said in pervious post. But with that equipment is still too expensive for me.[/S]
  
  Summary. I'm not saying that golem is great. I'm saying it's was good. With the waste of 201 AP to rank 1 'Summon Golem', it's help you with field monster a lot. Today I was using 'Summon Golem' with 'Ancient Polar Hornet' and the normal hornet. The golem did really good job in killing those hornet. Mostly died in 1 hit critical. (As a side note, I have to use 2 fully charged water cannon to killed the 'Polar Hornet')
  
  PS. If you want me to say something bad about golem ... let's see ... The golem is very bad in the long run. If you're not really hurry in fighting strong monster, ranking the golem is not a good idea. You'll have to train your character to get stronger (consume a lot of AP and time and money of you're willing to pay for the card) and fighting those monster yourself. XD
  
  Edit : The person who misunderstanding was me after all XD.
  
  Basically, skill didn't even help you the normal damage that much. ONLY critical hits that have a lot of damage. I was misunderstanding you because I though the damage you say was 'Normal Damage' but it's was 'Critical Damage'.
  
  With no equipment on, the damage output of you at lvl 800 - 900 and the golem at rank 1 is not significantly different. The different was due to r5, and many more factor that your character have. Which is I think it's normal.
  
  Noted that I have ping over 300ms. So any frontal assault may ended-up in the character being defeated.
• frncsjhnhawaii wrote on 2013-11-20 08:42
  Since I'm mostly a dual sword wielding warrior, how important is it to obtain Final Hit? I've heard the second dungeon for that quest is relatively hard to clear. Also, are there any particular life skills that are of great importance to obtain at a low level? From what I know, Refining is done early on to get failure requirements. Anyway, I've been thinking about doing some blacksmithing as a secondary talent pool, since the stats seem beneficial for melee, now that I've forgone my tailoring and weaving after I made some ninja suits.
  
  skill update:
  

  
  
  • r5 Windmill
    
  • r5 Smash
    
  • r9 Combat Mastery
    
  • r9 Sword Mastery
    
  • rC Defense
    
  • rF Counterattack
    
  • r9 Critical Hit
    
  • rF Assault Slash
    

  
  I would love to see some adjustments I should make before I reach 300 so I can still get a free skill reset.
  
  G1 progression:
  

  
  
  • [S]Clear Rabbie Dungeon[/S]
    
  • Duncan's Call
    
  • Tir Na Nog
    
  • Black Orb
    
  • Final Dance
    
• Homin wrote on 2013-11-20 09:04
  Final Hit is good at higher level, and it's cooldown make it's not a good skill against normal monster in dungeon. But if you fighting a boss, final hit will help you to takedown the boss easier. As when final hit activated, all the hit will not stun the user but some boss skill will stun or even knock-down which deactivated the final hit as the result.
  
  For the time being, I would prefer you to get higher combat skill. Only if you still want to solo G1. But if you don't want to solo G1 and going to play normally. You can have refining as your first life skill. Then any life skill will be good. As 'Carpentry' will give you a lot of STR. But as I said, at your level should go on ranking the combat skill (Windmill, Smash and Critical Hit). You can still doing the life skill at your higher level.
  
  Noted that I have the same thought as you. I want to go get on to every single skill before I can't reset the skill. But you know what, right now I know that life skill is VERY HARD to rank when compare to combat skill. You can't just rank them to rank 1 in about 2-3 days like combat skill. And having a life skill consume(waste) a lot of AP. As a result, your character will be very weak. You can't even fight a basic level shadow mission easily (As some mission can be completed in about 2-3 minute).
  
  TL;DR : You should go on rank your combat skill, such as Windmill, Smash and Critical hit. It will make your character stronger.
  
  Edit : TR;DR .... What is that mean? my brain @w@.
• Ascard wrote on 2013-11-20 19:56
  I ran it with a friend, too hard to solo at 200 for me
• ironwoman wrote on 2013-11-20 20:16
  I wouldn't rank final hit at this point. Reason? The str to ap ratio is too low, and it's useless against Glas if you don't have at least 450 damage.
  Final hit will almost never be useful in any given situation, especially at higher levels. It's really more of a strength booster.
• Homin wrote on 2013-11-21 03:48
  I rank my final hit at rank C at the moment. Final hit only useful with some bosses, such as golem-type bosses (each hit of the golem will not knock-back or stun you) or even alchemist bosses (wind blast will stun user and not blow away). Other then that, pretty useless XD. I have no intension to rank it at the moment.
  
  Final hit is useful for Glas but need high damage output as ironwoman said. Atleast you'll need rank1 sword mastery and fully upgraded sword.
  
  PS. I still didn't finish G1 yet (at Final Dance now... Solo all the way).
• frncsjhnhawaii wrote on 2013-11-21 06:58
  Thanks guys. So what I have ranked now is fine? I still have about 100 AP left to deal with Windmill AP requirements. It could take me until level 600 or so to get r1 in Smash, Critical Hit, Combat Mastery, and Sword Mastery.
• ironwoman wrote on 2013-11-21 18:45
  Yes, it's more than fine. If I was able to solo it with breeze at level 600-700 pre-destiny, it should be easy enough with this content.
  
  R1 windmill and 370+ damage should be able to do the trick. And trust me, it's definitely possible to get around 350 damage around level 100