Act 6: Crisis should be deleted from the game.

• Perfectio wrote on 2013-11-11 03:21
  People don't really realize how game warping Act 6 is. It's the best crowd control in the game by far, with essentially zero drawbacks:
  
  -It clumps enemies instead of spreads them out
  - it doesn't draw aggro
  - it loads instantly and executes in a few seconds
  
  It makes difficult to execute strategies such as Hailstorm and IS + Blaze (though Hail is too hard to make efficient without Crisis which is why Hail shoild get a bigger splash range) too easy to execute, and makes Crash Shot and Bulletstorm even more efficient.
  
  Crisis's synergy with powerful AOE strategies is too powerful for it to be balanced without nerfing it into the ground, and at that point, might as well delete it and refund the AP.
• BecomeMeguca wrote on 2013-11-11 03:30
  It also makes the mobs invincible for a few seconds. Load climatic crash, party member crisises just when my puppet is rushing towards the mob. Also, advanced heavy stander is a big eff you to act 6.
  
  Also, everything is OP in mabi now.
• Blassreiter wrote on 2013-11-11 03:40
  On a serious note, I think a similar skill should be given to Melee.
  [S]Melee is really horrible in terms of AoE, at least for me.[/S]
• Kaeporo wrote on 2013-11-11 03:42
  Crisis allows several higher damage but lower AOE skills to find their niche. At absolutely worst, Crisis could stand to suffer a heavier cooldown
  
  AOE pet summon skills are far more overpowered than Crisis though I wouldn't outright remove those from Mabimogi either.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2013-11-11 03:48
  Wasn't there a pet that can do the Crisis effect? How good was that pet?
  Why no complains about that pet?
• Cyrene wrote on 2013-11-11 03:52

  Quote from EndlessDreams;1168210:

  Wasn't there a pet that can do the Crisis effect? How good was that pet?
  Why no complains about that pet?

  
  
  Well how strong is that pet? It didn't seem to hit very hard on the trailer so it just looks like an extra crisis with no damage.
• Slayerj wrote on 2013-11-11 04:08

  Quote from Pallie;1168213:

  Well how strong is that pet? It didn't seem to hit very hard on the trailer so it just looks like an extra crisis with no damage.

  
  
  So? Still pulls mobs together for you to wreck.
  
  But srsly, talking of balance in THIS GAME? >.>
• Syliara wrote on 2013-11-11 04:12

  Quote from EndlessDreams;1168210:

  Wasn't there a pet that can do the Crisis effect? How good was that pet?
  Why no complains about that pet?

  
  
  The range is short, and the summon location is random. While its something thats nice, its nowhere near the utility of a r1 crisis. I'm not sure if that radius is changed with the pets lvl, but who the hell actually takes time to lvl a pet up?
• Yanm wrote on 2013-11-11 04:15

  Quote from Pureblooded;1168220:

  The range is short, and the summon location is random. While its something thats nice, its nowhere near the utility of a r1 crisis. I'm not sure if that radius is changed with the pets lvl, but who the hell actually takes time to lvl a pet up?

  
  
  *Raises hand, depending on what pet it is.
• Kapra wrote on 2013-11-11 05:21

  Quote from Blassreiter;1168206:

  On a serious note, I think a similar skill should be given to Melee.
  [S]Melee is really horrible in terms of AoE, at least for me.[/S]

  
  Magic needs it more to be honest. A lot of magic skills (blaze, fireball, thunder, hailstorm, meteor strike, maybe or maybe not IS depending on how the magic version of crisis would work) depend on monsters being clumped together.
  [SPOILER="Melee-Tangent"]The only melee I can think of that is also AoE dependent would be A: Windmill (which really isn't a melee-only skill), and B: Smashing with weapons with high splash range like guns (but who freaking does that?). The problem with melee is that besides Sword Mastery, Blunt Mastery, and Axe Mastery, none of the skills in the close combat talent are melee skills. The rest of the skills (armor masteries, combat mastery, windmill/defense/counter, doppelganger, charge, evasion, etc) are moreso utility skills that every talent uses, with the possible exception of Smash which is restricted from Bows and Guns and is pretty much a guaranteed knockback normal attack if executed properly.
  
  The only other melee skills besides those three weapon masteries are the three Lance skills and the Fighter skills. (Though, think about it, if you remove the knuckles and the skill animations from the formula, Fighter is teleportation+debuffs+stun control, sounds like a close ranged magic skillset on paper. It is even based on Will, a mind-dependent stat like Int rather than Str and Dex which are bodily based. You are also punished for wearing heavy armor. It does sound like magic.[/SPOILER]
  

  Quote from EndlessDreams;1168210:

  Wasn't there a pet that can do the Crisis effect? How good was that pet?
  Why no complains about that pet?

  
  Ya there's the damage as mentioned, but also, with a puppetry you can move the marionette into position of where you want the AoE to be executed and you can try to make certain monsters be within range and some without. But when you summon a pet, it summons in a circle around you and you cannot control where in the circle, so you also cannot control where the AoE is.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2013-11-11 05:37
  Little Hopper's crisis does like 50-70s, just as weak as the old AoE pets.
  
  Anyway, Crisis is fine. Synergy is actually more harder to pull off than you think, because it can either make an AoE miss or an AoE makes Crisis miss.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-11-11 06:15
  Sounds like someone's going through a crisis.
  
  All jokes aside, puppetry in itself made the game easier.
• Perfectio wrote on 2013-11-11 10:00

  Quote from Kaeporo;1168207:

  Crisis allows several higher damage but lower AOE skills to find their niche. At absolutely worst, Crisis could stand to suffer a heavier cooldown
  
  AOE pet summon skills are far more overpowered than Crisis though I wouldn't outright remove those from Mabimogi either.

  
  
  I think that's blatantly untrue, they only seem overpowered because we kill things so fast.
  
  AOE pets would make say, a G13 SWiz elite easier but not faceroll easy, but having Crisis around would.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-11-11 11:14
  Oh dear. I don't even know where to start.
  
  

  Quote from Perfectio;1168203:

  People don't really realize how game warping Act 6 is. It's the best crowd control in the game by far, with essentially zero drawbacks

  
  
  Zero drawbacks as in...It doesn't ever cockblock or give Iframes to enemies or anything like that. Unless we're assuming that it's being used perfectly every time by people with perfect co-ordination, in which I think we have bigger problems with Blaze then with Crisis.
  
  Contrary to popular belief you actually need a certain degree of skill to use Crisis properly (and by certain degree of skill, I mean relative to skills in Mabinogi).
  
  

  -It clumps enemies instead of spreads them out

  
  
  That's kind of the whole point of the skill.
  
  

  - it doesn't draw aggro

  
  
  This is false. It draws aggro on the puppet and in certain circumstances with higher CP mobs, they can ignore this and aggro on you instead, especially after de-summoning the puppet. And it's not like puppets are exactly the tankiest things out there, unless you use the crisis glitch, in which case we once again have bigger problems.
  
  

  - it loads instantly and executes in a few seconds

  
  
  So does pretty much everything else not called Raincasting after Genesis, and that's a far superior crowd control by far (pretty much breaks anything hard).
  
  

  It makes difficult to execute strategies such as Hailstorm and IS + Blaze (though Hail is too hard to make efficient without Crisis which is why Hail shoild get a bigger splash range) too easy to execute, and makes Crash Shot and Bulletstorm even more efficient.

  
  
  On content where you would need to use these strategies you could either do it anyway (IS + Blaze) or couldn't do it at all (Hailstorm). Hailstorm already suffers from multiple issues and it'd need a splash range the size of Antarctica to actually do anything useful otherwise. Crash shot doesn't need crisis to hit everything in a room/MA round, especially with a range reforge, and Bullet Storm is Bullet Storm.
  
  The only thing that's difficult to use about these strategies is that you need to not play with third world country internet.
  
  

  Crisis's synergy with powerful AOE strategies is too powerful for it to be balanced without nerfing it into the ground, and at that point, might as well delete it and refund the AP.

  
  
  In your opinion. It makes lots of things actually viable and it might be good, but it's not overpowered. Like a lot of things nowdays. People need to understand that newer things will be implemented that are better then other things, that's just the way the game works.
  
  Sure, you might not like it, but that's not really grounds for saying that it should be removed - If that was the case, I'd have lots of things such as Master of Shields out of the game faster then you could blink.
  
  But there's two really confusing things about this topic (apart from why it exists in the first place): Firstly, I don't understand how everyone can complain about lack of opportunities for party play then hate on Crisis, which facilitates party play when used well. In other words, it's rewarding party play. Sure, you can pull off some of these combos solo if you're strapped to the top of Nexon HQ, but you won't be able to do them optimally and with much more risk - which is the drawback of doing things solo.
  
  Most of the time when I see crisis being used it's being used quite poorly, and I think everyone's a little guilty of that unless they're running with people that they have great teamwork with - as in, they cockblock everyone else in a way not dissimilar to Ice Spear.
  
  I honestly see nothing wrong with Crisis. I see more reason to complain about Blaze and Firebolt, and there's nothing wrong with them.
  
  Secondl-
  
  

  Quote from EndlessDreams;1168210:

  Wasn't there a pet that can do the Crisis effect? How good was that pet?
  Why no complains about that pet?

  
  
  Oh, thank you. I remember everyone being up in arms about this as the thing that would kill puppets, and I haven't seen it brought up in this top-
  
  

  Quote from Perfectio;1168296:

  I think that's blatantly untrue, they only seem overpowered because we kill things so fast.
  
  AOE pets would make say, a G13 SWiz elite easier but not faceroll easy, but having Crisis around would.

  
  
  I have nothing to say to this, AoE pets are much more overpowered then reforges (arguably) or any skillset.
  
  I don't even this thread.
• SUNFLARE wrote on 2013-11-11 11:18
  Bro do you even Crisis