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abc33kr wrote on 2010-08-21 20:30
I was wondering this because if I rank water cannon instead of firebolt, I would save ap ranking both since I need water cannon for alchemy and firebolt for hot air balloon.
So my alchemist friend said that he runs hot air balloon with water cannon. I kind of doubted it since fire wyverns have higher hp than ice wyvern and water cannon don't chain cast till g12.
Then again with royal alchemist suit/boot and my waterdrop set, I think I could do quite well with water cannon.
So discuss, can Water Cannon be effective replacement for firebolt to get bridge es for abysmal?
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Kaeporo wrote on 2010-08-21 20:37
Water cannon deals significantly greater damage than firebolt. The most significant advantage being the ease of use; the primary disadvantage being the lack of reliable chaincast.
...You could pull it off. Don't forget elementals.
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abc33kr wrote on 2010-08-21 20:39
Quote from Kaeporo;133016:
Water cannon deals significantly greater damage than firebolt. The most significant advantage being the ease of use; the primary disadvantage being the lack of reliable chaincast.
...You could pull it off. Don't forget elementals.
another thing I like is lack of freeze. :D
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-08-21 20:39
Well, firebolt is good because they are strong against ice wyvern, short casting speed with CC, and you don't lose it when you are knocked down. You can probably do it with WC, similar to how people do it with just range though.
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Arsik wrote on 2010-08-21 20:40
Nope. Fire Wyverns have 2500 HP where as the Ice Wyverns have around 600. Without Chain Cylinder, it'll take you 7.5 seconds to fully charge your Water Cannon to do be able to one hit a Wyvern with a Crit, other wise you're spending more time to charge again to finish it off, where as you can chain cast Firebolt, and continually one hit the Ice Wyverns (assuming no deadly).
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abc33kr wrote on 2010-08-21 20:53
aww you just squashed my dreams.
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Iyasenu wrote on 2010-08-21 21:51
yeah, plus fire wyverns fire breath always knocks you down i think.
even if it doesn't they always seem to spawn near lightning wyverns :S
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Chihaya wrote on 2010-08-22 01:33
Quote from Arsik;133021:
Nope. Fire Wyverns have 2500 HP where as the Ice Wyverns have around 600. Without Chain Cylinder, it'll take you 7.5 seconds to fully charge your Water Cannon to do be able to one hit a Wyvern with a Crit, other wise you're spending more time to charge again to finish it off, where as you can chain cast Firebolt, and continually one hit the Ice Wyverns (assuming no deadly).
dang... Arsik was faster =.=;;
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Zid wrote on 2010-08-22 04:37
Ice Wyverns have much lower HP, and while you do get frozen, at least no further damage or stun can come to you while frozen. You can also use skills in the "grace" period between getting hit by an ice attack and actually getting frozen.
Besides, Fire Wyverns usually mingle with Lightning Wyverns. Also, if you aggro more than one Fire Wyverns, you'll be knocked down a lot, and that's going to be frustrating if you don't have the Chain Cylinder skill. If you're just going to use 1 charge because of that, you're also dismissing Water Cannon's 5 charge dmg bonus too. Meaning you'll have to bring more Water Crystals. And more Water Crystals mean less inventory space. And if you have a bad inventory, means less room to hold Flints. Honestly, 1 stack of MP 100s + Meditation + trans MP refill =/= 1 stack of Water Crystals.
Maybe Moist Waterdrop upgraded Water Cylinder + Royal Alchemist clothes/title + Water Elemental enchants might help against Fire Wyverns, but I doubt it'll trump chaincasted Fire Wand + Critical enchants against Ice Wyverns.
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Chihaya wrote on 2010-08-23 00:55
r1 firebolt, high int, +4 CC chaincast wand, and elementals can 1hko regular ice wyverns without a crit, no need to fret about freezing unless you get massively multi-aggroed.
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-08-23 00:57
Might be easier when Chain Cylinder comes out, as well as Water Elemental Mastery.
For now, it's a little harder.