Modification of Infraction Values

• Ashikoki wrote on 2013-12-17 06:00
  Hi guys. I meant to do this yesterday but I went shopping instead. #noregrets
  
  As always, nothing here is conclusive. I'll be taking community feedback to determine any necessary changes before applying anything.
  
  Problem: Disciplinary actions against members breaking the rules are too lenient. They are getting away with light slaps on the wrists and repeat offenses are not leading them to be punished properly under the infraction-count automated banning system.
  
  Solution: Increase the values of infractions to give them more weight. Lengthen the expiration date for warnings.
  
  With current values, it takes far too many minor offenses until a user is given their first ban. A 3 month warning expiration is also giving people freebies to get out of certain actions. Since warning infractions are worth 0 points, and are almost always given out before actual point value infractions are given, it should be fine to add a noticeable amount of weight to each infraction without being too strict.
  
  Changes:
  
  

  
  
  • All warning periods have been increased to 120 days (from 90)
    
  • All minor infraction periods have been increased to 150 days (from 120)
    
  • The infraction value of Signature Size Violation (Minor) has been increased to 4 (from 2)
    
  • The infraction value of Signature Size Violation (Major) has been increased to 6 (from 4)
    
  • The infraction value of Spamming (Minor) has been increased to 4 (from 2)
    
  • The infraction value of Spamming (Major) has been increased to 6 (from 4)
    
  • The infraction value of Rude/Bullying-Behavior (Minor) has been increased to 6 (from 4)
    
  • The infraction value of Rude/Bullying-Behavior (Major) has been increased to 8 (from 6)
    
  • The infraction value of Flaming/Insulting (Minor) has been increased to 6 (from 5)
    
  • The infraction value of Posting Inappropriate Behavior (Minor) has been increased to 6 (from 4)
    
  • The infraction value of Posting Inappropriate Behavior (Major) has been increased to 8 (from 6)
    
  • The infraction value of Trolling/Intentional-Rulebreak (Minor) has been increased to 6 (from 5)
    

  
  
  If you are not aware of how our infraction system works, refer to this page! If you have any additional questions, comments, or suggestions, please let me know by discussing it in this thread.
  
  My only current concern is that these changes might autoban certain members sitting on the edge. We'll have to see how it works, and take precautions to make sure those individuals are looked in to.
  
  Also, to address something:
  
  

  Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1178297:

  [QUOTE=nandattebayo;1178285]Then a rule needs to be created that has severe consequences for users mocking others that have received infractions and/or bans. Something like a 1-day ban on the first offense, and possibly doubling on each repeat offense.
  
  Otherwise the report function just degrades into a tattletale scenario.

  
  
  There was another reason I had in mind but there isn't really much to be done about that one.
  
  It's the same reason as to why certain people dance on a table when a certain user gets in trouble because they did something bad.
  Of course we also take care of things like that when people express that "joy" vocally, but we can't let it go to their heads either, if you know what I mean.
  
  Hmm, this is harder to explain than I thought it would be.[/QUOTE]
  
  This actually falls in lines with "Rude/Bullying Behavior" and will be treated as such.
• Syliara wrote on 2013-12-17 06:28

  Quote from Ashikoki;1179066:

  
  

  The infraction value of Spamming (Minor) has been increased to 4 (from 2)
  

  The infraction value of Spamming (Minor) has been increased to 6 (from 4)

  
  
  Sorry to be a grammar nazi, but shouldnt the 2nd one be (Major)? Sorry ocd kicking in, cant look away from it >.<;;
• Ashikoki wrote on 2013-12-17 06:37

  Quote from Pureblooded;1179078:

  Sorry to be a grammar nazi, but shouldnt the 2nd one be (Major)? Sorry ocd kicking in, cant look away from it >.<;;

  
  
  copy pasta away!
• Hanna wrote on 2013-12-17 07:38
  Seal of approval
• Zeo wrote on 2013-12-17 08:16
  Yes. I do think the infraction changes in the OP you just said is good.
• Snowie Stormflower wrote on 2013-12-17 09:15
  This is all good and well, I guess.
  
  Are we set on what we definetely define as "Spam" now? A lot of pointless have been made / will probably still be made (not contributing to thread and such, personal 1on1 jokes, etc.) and if I wasn't so soft on those, a lot of people would have falling over that edge already.
  
  At least it's holiday break soon, things will get cleared up I suppose.
  :whistle:
• Syliara wrote on 2013-12-17 09:19

  Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1179188:

  This is all good and well, I guess.
  
  Are we set on what we definetely define as "Spam" now? A lot of pointless have been made / will probably still be made (not contributing to thread and such, personal 1on1 jokes, etc.) and if I wasn't so soft on those, a lot of people would have falling over that edge already.
  
  At least it's holiday break soon, things will get cleared up I suppose.
  :whistle:

  
  
  I would definitely like for there to be at least some consideration on changing the rules behind what is considered spam and not. Other than that its all fine to me.
• Zeo wrote on 2013-12-17 09:20

  Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1179188:

  This is all good and well, I guess.
  
  Are we set on what we definetely define as "Spam" now? A lot of pointless have been made / will probably still be made (not contributing to thread and such, personal 1on1 jokes, etc.) and if I wasn't so soft on those, a lot of people would have falling over that edge already.
  
  At least it's holiday break soon, things will get cleared up I suppose.
  :whistle:

  
  
  Hmm... I will say I still think the one or two words posts are still unnecessary for almost all the situations. Making one/two word posts in Bean Rua is fine, but I don't agree on it for all other sections.
• Zeo wrote on 2013-12-17 09:20

  Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1179188:

  This is all good and well, I guess.
  
  Are we set on what we definetely define as "Spam" now? A lot of pointless have been made / will probably still be made (not contributing to thread and such, personal 1on1 jokes, etc.) and if I wasn't so soft on those, a lot of people would have falling over that edge already.
  
  At least it's holiday break soon, things will get cleared up I suppose.
  :whistle:

  
  
  Hmm... I will say I still think the one or two words posts are still unnecessary for almost all the situations. Making one/two word posts in Bean Rua is fine, but I don't agree on it for all other sections.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-12-17 12:36

  Quote from Zeo;1179194:

  Hmm... I will say I still think the one or two words posts are still unnecessary for almost all the situations. Making one/two word posts in Bean Rua is fine, but I don't agree on it for all other sections.

  
  
  Going to have to second this notion. Also I approve of these changes.
• Sepia wrote on 2013-12-17 19:12

  Quote from Ashikoki;1179066:

  My only current concern is that these changes might autoban certain members sitting on the edge. We'll have to see how it works, and take precautions to make sure those individuals are looked in to.

  
  
  Any way you guys can reset infraction points once this takes effect? I mean, if said members are really problematic, then they'll be back in hot water soon enough.
  
  Just throwing an idea out there.
• nandattebayo wrote on 2013-12-17 21:12

  Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1179188:

  This is all good and well, I guess.
  
  Are we set on what we definetely define as "Spam" now? A lot of pointless have been made / will probably still be made (not contributing to thread and such, personal 1on1 jokes, etc.) and if I wasn't so soft on those, a lot of people would have falling over that edge already.
  
  At least it's holiday break soon, things will get cleared up I suppose.
  :whistle:

  
  
  As soon as someone gets an infraction, they'll either stop or get banned. You'll only burn yourself out by being too lenient.
  
  Forums are a privilege, not a right. Its about time people started treating it as such.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2013-12-17 21:59

  Quote from Sepia;1179307:

  Any way you guys can reset infraction points once this takes effect? I mean, if said members are really problematic, then they'll be back in hot water soon enough.
  
  Just throwing an idea out there.

  
  
  Why would we need to reset fraction points? The infraction value is punishing the people who break the rules, and trying to use the point system to escape a ban.
  
  Most of the rules are common etiquette found in most forums anyways...
• Ashikoki wrote on 2013-12-17 23:07

  Quote from Sepia;1179307:

  Any way you guys can reset infraction points once this takes effect? I mean, if said members are really problematic, then they'll be back in hot water soon enough.
  
  Just throwing an idea out there.

  
  
  It will have to be done manually for each user.
  
  If I reset the infractions, all banned and perma banned users that were hit by this system would be unbanned. If I added a new chart, the previous chart would remain and confuse the moderators.
  
  The simplest option would be to just use an updated chart and resolve individual problems case by case.
• Sepia wrote on 2013-12-18 00:40

  Quote from Ashikoki;1179358:

  It will have to be done manually for each user.
  
  If I reset the infractions, all banned and perma banned users that were hit by this system would be unbanned. If I added a new chart, the previous chart would remain and confuse the moderators.
  
  The simplest option would be to just use an updated chart and resolve individual problems case by case.

  
  
  Hm...guess the system doesn't work the way I thought it did.
  
  Can't be helped, I guess.