Little things that bother you in Mabinogi.

• Kapra wrote on 2015-05-29 19:26
  On one hand a player can exist who is level 2k. On the other hand there can exist a 1k character who takes advantage of 3x AP events and AP potions and daily quests, ending up having more than triple the AP of someone who is double their level. Total level is a terrible indicator of anything but total level.
  
  (If you want to try a fun little experiment, calculate all the AP you used on your character, add current unused AP to it (and any AP potions or coupons you might for some reason have not used yet), and subtract that by [total level + total expl level - 2(rebirth count)], you might be surprised.)
• callback wrote on 2015-05-29 19:41

  Quote from Kapra;1276839:

  On one hand a player can exist who is level 2k. On the other hand there can exist a 1k character who takes advantage of 3x AP events and AP potions and daily quests, ending up having more than triple the AP of someone who is double their level. Total level is a terrible indicator of anything but total level.
  
  (If you want to try a fun little experiment, calculate all the AP you used on your character, add current unused AP to it (and any AP potions or coupons you might for some reason have not used yet), and subtract that by [total level + total expl level - 2(rebirth count)], you might be surprised.)

  
  
  Is there a calculator online I can put ranks into for that?
  
  And on that topic, a friend sent me a screenshot that included her character sheet. Her stats were MAJORLY lower than mine, despite being higher total, so I'm shocked to hear that MINE are somehow pre-midgame low to you guys here. WTF kind of steroids are you all on?
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-05-29 20:11

  Quote from callback;1276841:

  Is there a calculator online I can put ranks into for that?
  
  And on that topic, a friend sent me a screenshot that included her character sheet. Her stats were MAJORLY lower than mine, despite being higher total, so I'm shocked to hear that MINE are somehow pre-midgame low to you guys here. WTF kind of steroids are you all on?

  
  
  Many of us probably have better gears than you do.
  
  Also, damage is relative. For some, 30k might be a high number while that number might just feel casual for fewer players.
  
  For my stance, I'm at a point where 60k probably won't impress me.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-05-29 20:59

  Quote from callback;1276841:

  Is there a calculator online I can put ranks into for that?

  
  There was an excel sheet for Master Chef update somewhere on mabidata I think, but I'm not sure where, and it doesn't include new skills since then (ninja, renovation, etc).
  
  

  Quote from callback;1276841:

  . . .so I'm shocked to hear that MINE are somehow pre-midgame low to you guys here. WTF kind of steroids are you all on?

  
  Also I'm not saying you were referring to me too, but I wasn't the one saying that, I just wanted to make that clear. I was just pointing out that total levels are a poor indicator of character progression.
• Kelvas wrote on 2015-05-29 23:18

  Quote from callback;1276836:

  So my level 7XXX is not even midgame? That's beyond depressing.
  but seriously how is ~580 an easy breakpoint? Reaching that unenchanted is ~2200 total str+will needed. Only 1745 is possible through skills, and that's with everything maxed.
  
  
  Maybe you're thinking BFO counts towards breakpoint? It doesn't. Cater, enchants, any flat buffs count, but percentile buffs like BFO and bone chip break don't make a difference between the two.

  
  
  This is what I think would be a 'mid game' ninja (not near the end part of it.) As expected, other people will have different standards than me.
  
  [SIZE="1"]423 max damage from 1.5k stats (skill ranks, leveling)
  80 max damage from enchants (most people on this forum use enchants with a few exceptions)
  20 from mastery
  42 max damage from weapon + artisans
  ~30 from titles
  ~11 from totems
  ______________________[/SIZE]
  606 max damage total w/o buffs
  
  And if you add on 28% BFO = ~776 max damage
  
  Like what Kapra said, total level isn't a good indicator of progression. If you're spread out too thin, do no use enchants, and/or simply did not invest thoroughly in a skill set, then chances are, there will be people with higher damage.
• Rynn wrote on 2015-05-29 23:30
  @kelvas
  Seems legit for mid-game, though bfo will not change breakeven point since it buffs both things equally. Cater would however.
  
  Endgame you'd be currently looking at 900~950 max for ninja unbuffed and 1k++ after the shuriken artisan is buffed and shuriken mastery reforge adds 3x the damage. Rather than damage however, ninja is far more reliant on Kunai Storm Attack Range Reforge. Min-maxing damage is secondary to having that reforge.
  
  Also, like other said enchants/reforges/equipment > total level.
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-05-30 01:03
  Considering how easy many end game enchants are to get nowadays, there really is no excuse for not reaching the break point unless you don't have the stats.
  You can get way more than 580 max with cheap enchants.
  
  Do note this is Alexina standard when it comes to pricing:
  
  Oblivion: 2 mil scroll/ 1-1.5 item. Thanks gachapon. Maybe you can get as lucky as me and get a burn for 15k.
  Encore Ambush/Camo: 300k for Encore and the same for Camo. Ambush = priceless, but not hard enchant to get either.
  Solo: 2.5 mil + Unlock, but these have high chances of drop at Desert Dragon, so you should really be looking to get the scrolls there, so this is really priceless.
  Wild Boar for accs = 75k each at max
  Dexterity: 500-750k
  Untamed Violent: 600k combined
  
  So in total... you're looking at around 12-13 mil for a whole gear that'll last for a good while and definitely affordable. This much money is not hard to get especially if you regularly attend raids. Assuming you have like 1.4k STR + Will, should be the basics for Ninja, you're looking at 280 damage from that, you're looking at nearly 100 or more than that from enchants except from weapons, 38 from masteries, 14 from Blood Master title, 300 STR + Will from talents = 60 max, which puts you at 492 bonus max. And then there's weapon enchants, damage, artisan upgrades, etc, which can easily push your character screen damage past 600. To give you an idea of how early game this damage is, I have tons of Will missing from skills, and I'm sitting at early 800s max at close combat talent, and I don't consider myself end game Ninja at all. But then again, stages of the game is subjective. Some will consider me closer to end game, I definitely don't.
• Yanm wrote on 2015-05-30 01:13

  Quote from Setzer;1276660:

  The fact that I used demigod in cutscenes despite never finishing g10 gets me everytime

  
  
  Why haven't you finished g10 may I ask?
• callback wrote on 2015-05-30 03:43

  Quote from ironwoman;1276890:

  Considering how easy many end game enchants are to get nowadays, there really is no excuse for not reaching the break point unless you don't have the stats.
  You can get way more than 580 max with cheap enchants.
  
  Do note this is Alexina standard when it comes to pricing:
  
  Oblivion: 2 mil scroll/ 1-1.5 item. Thanks gachapon. Maybe you can get as lucky as me and get a burn for 15k.
  Encore Ambush/Camo: 300k for Encore and the same for Camo. Ambush = priceless, but not hard enchant to get either.
  Solo: 2.5 mil + Unlock, but these have high chances of drop at Desert Dragon, so you should really be looking to get the scrolls there, so this is really priceless.
  Wild Boar for accs = 75k each at max
  Dexterity: 500-750k
  Untamed Violent: 600k combined
  
  So in total... you're looking at around 12-13 mil for a whole gear that'll last for a good while and definitely affordable. This much money is not hard to get especially if you regularly attend raids. Assuming you have like 1.4k STR + Will, should be the basics for Ninja, you're looking at 280 damage from that, you're looking at nearly 100 or more than that from enchants except from weapons, 38 from masteries, 14 from Blood Master title, 300 STR + Will from talents = 60 max, which puts you at 492 bonus max. And then there's weapon enchants, damage, artisan upgrades, etc, which can easily push your character screen damage past 600. To give you an idea of how early game this damage is, I have tons of Will missing from skills, and I'm sitting at early 800s max at close combat talent, and I don't consider myself end game Ninja at all. But then again, stages of the game is subjective. Some will consider me closer to end game, I definitely don't.

  
  
  I never bothered with enchants because I never got the base gear I wanted to finalize. I've been trying over a year to smith a +4 stomp def val gauntlet, the best I can ever get is signed, and even that's moderately rare.
  
  Same with a hat. I've been tailoring away trying for a 4 reduction broad brim. No luck. Signed far more often with a level 2 quality kit and a couple +1 accessories, but even that won't go the necessary B+.
  
  My dustin is extraordinary avenger, which I don't see the point in overwriting, and I'm trying to get a hawk to stick as +2 on my greaves so I can pair it with automatic. No success, and I get bored of ballooning too fast.
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-05-30 03:56

  Quote from callback;1276902:

  I never bothered with enchants because I never got the base gear I wanted to finalize. I've been trying over a year to smith a +4 stomp def val gauntlet, the best I can ever get is signed, and even that's moderately rare.
  
  Same with a hat. I've been tailoring away trying for a 4 reduction broad brim. No luck. Signed far more often with a level 2 quality kit and a couple +1 accessories, but even that won't go the necessary B+.
  
  My dustin is extraordinary avenger, which I don't see the point in overwriting, and I'm trying to get a hawk to stick as +2 on my greaves so I can pair it with automatic. No success, and I get bored of ballooning too fast.

  
  
  You don't need a finalized gear to enchant. All you need to do is put the said enchants on cheap gears, like Bracelet, Popo's shirt and pants, Headband, etc.
  
  Although with all the masteries, skills, and damage you can have, there is really no reason to try to get stomp immunity or mana reduction.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-05-30 06:17

  Quote from ironwoman;1276806:

  580 is still a really easy break point.

  I actually lose damage when equipping a base Hagi's Shuriken compared to bare hands.
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/t8pV0BU.gif]

  
  
  So it depends on where you are in your Ninja training, so to speak. People migrating from a STR-only or Will-only talent have a lot more to make up for since their original damage stat only counts for half.
  
  
  

  Quote from callback;1276836:

  Also when is the red switching?

  We're not sure, we got some of KR's Ninja changes with this latest patch, but not any of the major skill or equipment changes so they might not come over at all unless NA or KR purposely pushes/takes it.
  
  

  Quote from callback;1276841:

  Is there a calculator online I can put ranks into for that?

  https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7j7MV5KFScsYTU2Nnp6SkhDaWc&usp=sharing
  
  I used an All Skill Reset Capsule at total level ~5900 or so.
  I got 11,000+ AP back 'cause of all the events and junk.
  
  

  Quote from callback;1276841:

  And on that topic, a friend sent me a screenshot that included her character sheet. Her stats were MAJORLY lower than mine, despite being higher total, so I'm shocked to hear that MINE are somehow pre-midgame low to you guys here. WTF kind of steroids are you all on?

  Enchants, +max damage is OP.
  
  Let's say you're going melee and you apply a few enchants (RA-8 to play it safe) and get +12 max on a weapon, +8 max on armor, +15 max on your hat, and then +5 max on your boots.
  
  That's worth 100 STR.
  
  Not to mention things like those accessories that come out of gachas that give +35 STR each.
  
  ... not that I specifically agree with everything Ironwoman says, I'm just pointing out part of what makes such a large strength difference between players. I've seen higher-end players that didn't bother enchanting suddenly notice a huge damage increase upon borrowing somebody else's enchanted gear due to how potent +damage enchants are.
• callback wrote on 2015-06-02 02:49

  Quote from Rydian;1276923:

  I actually lose damage when equipping a base Hagi's Shuriken compared to bare hands.
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/t8pV0BU.gif]

  
  
  So it depends on where you are in your Ninja training, so to speak. People migrating from a STR-only or Will-only talent have a lot more to make up for since their original damage stat only counts for half.
  
  
  We're not sure, we got some of KR's Ninja changes with this latest patch, but not any of the major skill or equipment changes so they might not come over at all unless NA or KR purposely pushes/takes it.
  
  https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7j7MV5KFScsYTU2Nnp6SkhDaWc&usp=sharing
  
  I used an All Skill Reset Capsule at total level ~5900 or so.
  I got 11,000+ AP back 'cause of all the events and junk.
  
  Enchants, +max damage is OP.
  
  Let's say you're going melee and you apply a few enchants (RA-8 to play it safe) and get +12 max on a weapon, +8 max on armor, +15 max on your hat, and then +5 max on your boots.
  
  That's worth 100 STR.
  
  Not to mention things like those accessories that come out of gachas that give +35 STR each.
  
  ... not that I specifically agree with everything Ironwoman says, I'm just pointing out part of what makes such a large strength difference between players. I've seen higher-end players that didn't bother enchanting suddenly notice a huge damage increase upon borrowing somebody else's enchanted gear due to how potent +damage enchants are.

  
  
  ~14k net worth AP on my 7xxx. More than I expected, honestly.
  
  Things that bother me: feeling so weak despite that total. Also repair costs. Am I the only one who can't afford these things? I see insane weapons posted here with like x3x4 multipliers on top of already 18k/point 98s. How can ANYONE afford to actually use something like that? Am I that poor? I've been running all around trying to get a pair of beholder swords just so I have a fast bash set to use for everyday content, AAHM spams, etc. that I can actually afford to repair outside of the 100% event.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-06-02 07:21

  Quote from callback;1277112:

  ~14k net worth AP on my 7xxx. More than I expected, honestly.
  
  Things that bother me: feeling so weak despite that total. Also repair costs. Am I the only one who can't afford these things? I see insane weapons posted here with like x3x4 multipliers on top of already 18k/point 98s. How can ANYONE afford to actually use something like that? Am I that poor? I've been running all around trying to get a pair of beholder swords just so I have a fast bash set to use for everyday content, AAHM spams, etc. that I can actually afford to repair outside of the 100% event.

  
  YES YES YES THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS GAME.
• Rynn wrote on 2015-06-02 08:16

  Quote from callback;1277112:

  ~14k net worth AP on my 7xxx. More than I expected, honestly.
  
  Things that bother me: feeling so weak despite that total. Also repair costs. Am I the only one who can't afford these things? I see insane weapons posted here with like x3x4 multipliers on top of already 18k/point 98s. How can ANYONE afford to actually use something like that? Am I that poor? I've been running all around trying to get a pair of beholder swords just so I have a fast bash set to use for everyday content, AAHM spams, etc. that I can actually afford to repair outside of the 100% event.

  
  
  People only use those godly weapons for the actually challenging content, so it's not much dura loss. Throwaway shurikens and guns demolish pretty much everything else.
  
  Also, due to saga 6 inflation profit from selling to other players can currently cover even the worst repair case scenarios. Gacha a butterfly wing? instant 50m, even if you encounter something that's 500k a point you're good for a while. There's also people who just abused the saga to hell and hoarded up billions of gold.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-06-02 12:10

  Quote from callback;1277112:

  ~14k net worth AP on my 7xxx. More than I expected, honestly.

  Yeah, AP rewards from events and dalies and stuff counts more than people think.
  
  

  Quote from callback;1277112:

  Things that bother me: feeling so weak despite that total.

  Might be a difference in the stats you get from the skills you've raised. Some skills give good stats for the AP (or just good stats in general) while others give little to none. The wiki has sortable lists on which skills are good for which stats.
  http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Stats_and_Skills
  Some of the best skills for stats though, are usually either life skills or really grindy.
  
  

  Quote from callback;1277112:

  I've been running all around trying to get a pair of beholder swords just so I have a fast bash set to use for everyday content, AAHM spams, etc. that I can actually afford to repair outside of the 100% event.

  Ironwoman pointed out somewhere that Fluted Short Swords are fast and actually have a strong artisan on them (up to 70 STR each), if you can take the possible luck hit.
  
  Besides that, I see people Bashing with Daggers sometimes to be cheap.