Couple questions

• Racky wrote on 2013-12-26 08:59
  What is a good weapon for a giant in terms of a
  1. knuckle,
  2. 2 handed weapon,
  and 3. weapon to go along with a vales shield
  (I heard HLC in terms of non-lance from the other thread)? I'm not at "endgame" or anywhere near it, nor am I a beginner, so something that isn't incredibly difficult to obtain.
  
  4. How are lances? I've never used one, since the range thing is a bit difficult and awkward
  
  5. What are good dual wield swords for humans? I'm assuming beam swords once I get balance up, but they are a bit expensive.
  
  I'm also aiming for a hermit staff too (he's magic and warrior). I know they can go up to +8 matk base,
  6. should I aim this high and keep saving up or should I just go ahead and get one then upgrade to a better one later?
  7. (An approximate price on tarlach would be nice, in terms of the +8 and the one I would get for the sake of getting one).
  
  The adventurer seal merchant sells both of these, but supposedly they're not worth it.
  8. What should I spend my seals on?
  
  9. If an enchant that increases repair cost, like spike, is overwritten, does the increased repair cost remain?
  
  Thanks, :)
  (sorry for the messy layout)
• Krito wrote on 2013-12-26 10:11
  1. mana knuckles, champion knuckles, bracer knuckles
  2. don't know
  3. HLC for both obtainability and damage
  4. I don't get lance thing too. But it seems it increases windmill range a bit and damage output overall. You will get used to it if you don't have much lag.
  5. I asked this question before too. The answer was upgraded battle swords. But it is harder to upgrade than the others at the beginning.
  6. I have upgraded fomor broad swords for its low cost maintainability, and now thinking of either getting beam swords or upgraded battle swords. You may do the same.
  7. I am in Alexina so I don't know.
  I have no idea for the remaining ones.
• SlurpTASTY wrote on 2013-12-26 10:29
  Gacha right now is pooping out +6 r1 hermits. You can get em cheap like 500k. Once you overwrite an enchant it's repair cost goes away too. Dunno the answer to anything else I am a measly elf.
• ironwoman wrote on 2013-12-26 11:10

  Quote from Racky;1181877:

  What is a good weapon for a giant in terms of a
  1. knuckle,
  2. 2 handed weapon,
  and 3. weapon to go along with a vales shield
  (I heard HLC in terms of non-lance from the other thread)? I'm not at "endgame" or anywhere near it, nor am I a beginner, so something that isn't incredibly difficult to obtain.
  
  4. How are lances? I've never used one, since the range thing is a bit difficult and awkward
  
  5. What are good dual wield swords for humans? I'm assuming beam swords once I get balance up, but they are a bit expensive.
  
  I'm also aiming for a hermit staff too (he's magic and warrior). I know they can go up to +8 matk base,
  6. should I aim this high and keep saving up or should I just go ahead and get one then upgrade to a better one later?
  7. (An approximate price on tarlach would be nice, in terms of the +8 and the one I would get for the sake of getting one).
  
  The adventurer seal merchant sells both of these, but supposedly they're not worth it.
  8. What should I spend my seals on?
  
  9. If an enchant that increases repair cost, like spike, is overwritten, does the increased repair cost remain?
  
  Thanks, :)
  (sorry for the messy layout)

  
  
  

  Quote from Krito;1181884:

  1. mana knuckles, champion knuckles, bracer knuckles
  2. don't know
  3. HLC for both obtainability and damage
  4. I don't get lance thing too. But it seems it increases windmill range a bit and damage output overall. You will get used to it if you don't have much lag.
  5. I asked this question before too. The answer was upgraded battle swords. But it is harder to upgrade than the others at the beginning.
  6. I have upgraded fomor broad swords for its low cost maintainability, and now thinking of either getting beam swords or upgraded battle swords. You may do the same.
  7. I am in Alexina so I don't know.
  I have no idea for the remaining ones.

  
  
  1. Disregard mana knuckles, they're more of a lol weapon and works much better as a tertiary weapon. An actual useful knuckle would be champion or bracer since a lot of them come pre reforged. Champion is more preferred due to higher damage.
  2. Broad axe or battle hammer. Lances still beat both.
  3. HLC, since a lot of them are pooped out pre-reforged. Better yet, lances.
  4. You'll get used to the range, so don't worry about it. And it does NOT increase windmill range, please don't give out false information. All you need to do with lance is smash, windmill, and lance charge, so range really shouldn't be an issue.
  5. As for current meta, where dual wields are more temporary, beam sword and battle sword would be good. Beam sword being the instant damage, while battle sword being the longer investment weapon. And no, battle sword is not harder to upgrade, please stop with the false information.
  6. A staff with 6 or above matk is good enough.
  7. In Alexina, they go for around 500k.
  8. If you wanna get money, use it to get Royal Knight Armor then sell it to others. Otherwise, you can use the seals for getting skill training seals, puppet minis, production mats, etc. At least they're the ones that I think are worth it.
  9. No, increased cost gets removed.
• Krito wrote on 2013-12-26 20:34

  Quote from ironwoman;1181887:

  1. Disregard mana knuckles, they're more of a lol weapon and works much better as a tertiary weapon. An actual useful knuckle would be champion or bracer since a lot of them come pre reforged. Champion is more preferred due to higher damage.

  
  
  Mana knuckles work as beam swords in knuckles class.
  
  

  Quote from ironwoman;1181887:

  4. You'll get used to the range, so don't worry about it. And it does NOT increase windmill range, please don't give out false information. All you need to do with lance is smash, windmill, and lance charge, so range really shouldn't be an issue.

  
  
  From wiki:
  'Note that the radius is the base size of Windmill while the range is the additional radius based on the size of the user's hitbox.'
  I think hitbox of the character increases when a lance is equipped.
  
  

  Quote from ironwoman;1181887:

  5. As for current meta, where dual wields are more temporary, beam sword and battle sword would be good. Beam sword being the instant damage, while battle sword being the longer investment weapon. And no, battle sword is not harder to upgrade, please stop with the false information.

  
  
  Why do you make so opposition without reading and understanding the whole sentence? I said battle swords are harder to upgrade than the other swords at the beginning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  Look at the Special Annealing upgrade for the battle swords. It requires Requires Royal Castle Guard Weapon Upgrade Coupon.
  You need to make wine; and then complete a sm to obtain that for each sword. This makes battle swords harder than the others for the first upgrade as the other swords don't need this kind of thing for an upgrade.
• Syliara wrote on 2013-12-26 20:57

  Quote from Krito;1181981:

  Mana knuckles work as beam swords in knuckles class.
  
  
  
  From wiki:
  'Note that the radius is the base size of Windmill while the range is the additional radius based on the size of the user's hitbox.'
  I think hitbox of the character increases when a lance is equipped.
  
  
  
  Why do you make so opposition without reading and understanding the whole sentence? I said battle swords are harder to upgrade than the other swords at the beginning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  Look at the Special Annealing upgrade for the battle swords. It requires Requires Royal Castle Guard Weapon Upgrade Coupon.
  You need to make wine; and then complete a sm to obtain that for each sword. This makes battle swords harder than the others for the first upgrade as the other swords don't need this kind of thing for an upgrade.

  
  
  Mana knuckles are bad because you can get x-grade champs/bracers for low cost due to being spit out by gacha. Mana knuckles also have horrible special upgrade bonuses. Do not make mana knuckles your main knuckles.
  
  That has nothing to do with lances wm range.
  
  Honestly they shouldn't even use dual weilding because 2h's are better anyways. Go grab an HLC and ull do more dmg than any dual weilding for a fraction of the cost.
• ironwoman wrote on 2013-12-26 22:34

  Quote from Krito;1181981:

  Mana knuckles work as beam swords in knuckles class.
  
  
  
  From wiki:
  'Note that the radius is the base size of Windmill while the range is the additional radius based on the size of the user's hitbox.'
  I think hitbox of the character increases when a lance is equipped.
  
  
  
  Why do you make so opposition without reading and understanding the whole sentence? I said battle swords are harder to upgrade than the other swords at the beginning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  Look at the Special Annealing upgrade for the battle swords. It requires Requires Royal Castle Guard Weapon Upgrade Coupon.
  You need to make wine; and then complete a sm to obtain that for each sword. This makes battle swords harder than the others for the first upgrade as the other swords don't need this kind of thing for an upgrade.

  
  
  Mana knuckles are not equivalent to beam swords, nor are they as useful as the beams. The knuckles have terrible upgrades, including special upgrade. Beam swords are instant damage, and more of early game damage, and still doesn't fall behind too terribly late game. Mana knuckle is pretty much useless in a sense that it gets 1h sword special upgrade for red.
  
  You "think" lances increase the hitbox... as a lance user myself, I can tell you lances negate this hitbox thing. Also, if you haven't noticed, even if the hitbox is larger for lance wielders, the hitbox concept doesn't work properly as Giants have the same wm range as humans and elves.
  
  Also, for battles, you don't need to do the special annealing. It's mere difference of 4 max that you have to go through hassle, and even with the "worse" first upgrade, it already surpasses other swords. So no, battles are not hard to upgrade.
  
  Don't pull your answers from assumptions and lack of experience.
• arochia246 wrote on 2013-12-27 23:27

  Quote from Racky;1181877:

  What is a good weapon for a giant in terms of a
  1. knuckle,
  2. 2 handed weapon,
  and 3. weapon to go along with a vales shield
  (I heard HLC in terms of non-lance from the other thread)? I'm not at "endgame" or anywhere near it, nor am I a beginner, so something that isn't incredibly difficult to obtain.
  
  4. How are lances? I've never used one, since the range thing is a bit difficult and awkward
  
  5. What are good dual wield swords for humans? I'm assuming beam swords once I get balance up, but they are a bit expensive.
  
  I'm also aiming for a hermit staff too (he's magic and warrior). I know they can go up to +8 matk base,
  6. should I aim this high and keep saving up or should I just go ahead and get one then upgrade to a better one later?
  7. (An approximate price on tarlach would be nice, in terms of the +8 and the one I would get for the sake of getting one).
  
  The adventurer seal merchant sells both of these, but supposedly they're not worth it.
  8. What should I spend my seals on?
  
  9. If an enchant that increases repair cost, like spike, is overwritten, does the increased repair cost remain?
  
  Thanks, :)
  (sorry for the messy layout)

  
  
  1. Start out with elemental level 2 fomor bear knuckles. They should last you while you rank fighter. After that, go for Untamed/Violent Champion or Bracer knuckles. It's pretty cheap to enchant since Red Dragon spits out Violent and Untamed can be obtained through running Ciar Normal HM.
  2. Broad Axe ego. OP non-crit fullswings are great.
  3. r1/r2 pre-reforged Gacha HLC or go lances. S/X Grade knight lances shouldn't be very difficult to come by and you won't regret switching over.
  4. Lances a best. Would lay with.
  5. Beam swords or battles. Use lollipops to deal more psychological damage than physical damage. (Just kidding don't do that.)
  6. Get a r1 pre-reforged hermit staff. It will save you a lot of gold in the long run.
  7. I can't really say.
  8. Enchant expiration removal or RKA.
  9. Already answered.