So how do Magic Users Fight?

• Blassreiter wrote on 2014-01-05 05:04
  [video=youtube;OSFEItTdw-k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSFEItTdw-k[/video]
  
  Read what your party members are doing and react accordingly.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2014-01-05 05:51
  They use reforges like Ice Spear Explosion level 20 on gloves so they can just watch the long chain of Ice Spear destroying entire rooms. They can also just go get a drink while having the game auto charge the next Ice Spear.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2014-01-05 18:21
  Personally the way I do magic is usually in conjunction with Lullaby and spamming firebolt. Hard for mobs to respond when they're sleeping on the job :P
  
  It worked for me well yesterday in Shadow Wiz Elite.
  
  Lullaby + firebolt also works well in parties as everyone benefits from sleeping mobs and allows you to pick off anything your teammates don't get to.
• Krito wrote on 2014-01-05 22:51

  Quote from Kaeporo;1184590:

  [video=youtube;wXlQJGlA_uI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXlQJGlA_uI&feature=youtu.be[/video]

  
  
  How can you use Ice Spear spell like that? Does it have a reforge or something? It seems it continues to freeze the recent emerging enemies.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-01-05 23:51

  Quote from Krito;1184922:

  How can you use Ice Spear spell like that? Does it have a reforge or something? It seems it continues to freeze the recent emerging enemies.

  
  
  Read the two posts above yours.
• Krito wrote on 2014-01-06 13:57

  Quote from ironwoman;1184943:

  Read the two posts above yours.

  
  
  I did. It says "Ice Spear Explosion Range" which increases explosion range of ice spear.
  
  But I still don't understand how it can affect the next wave of monsters. I mean it does not say anything about it. I thought it would only affect the monsters which are currently visible.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2014-01-06 15:42

  Quote from Krito;1185105:

  I did. It says "Ice Spear Explosion Range" which increases explosion range of ice spear.
  
  But I still don't understand how it can affect the next wave of monsters. I mean it does not say anything about it. I thought it would only affect the monsters which are currently visible.

  
  
  Ice Spear has always been able to do that, even without reforge... the ice spread of a few fractions of second after ennemies dies. If server is not laguing, the next wave always appear before the ice start spreading so when ice spread, the next wave is already out ready to be frozen. As long as the ice spear damage is high enough to kill ennemy, the ice will spread.
• Krito wrote on 2014-01-06 20:28

  Quote from Chiyuri;1185113:

  Ice Spear has always been able to do that, even without reforge... the ice spread of a few fractions of second after ennemies dies. If server is not laguing, the next wave always appear before the ice start spreading so when ice spread, the next wave is already out ready to be frozen. As long as the ice spear damage is high enough to kill ennemy, the ice will spread.

  
  
  Thank you for the explanation, I thought it was due to some other reforge. Then it seems bolt spells and thunder/ice spear are more suitable to be used actively during combat due to their faster cast rates than fireball/hailstorm.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2014-01-06 22:40

  Quote from Krito;1185160:

  Thank you for the explanation, I thought it was due to some other reforge. Then it seems bolt spells and thunder/ice spear are more suitable to be used actively during combat due to their faster cast rates than fireball/hailstorm.

  
  
  The usefulness of any tactic in Mabinogi depends on the situation.
  
  Ice Spear: Most useful overall, sets up blaze, hinders party members not using Flame Burst (ecology, TOA, etc)
  Thunder: Most useful Snap Cast stack, party members hinder effectiveness (Rafting, Falias, NPC)
  Fireball: Alternative to Thunder, improved radius, no stun, heavier critical damage (Hillwen)
  
  Fire/Ice: Heavy single target burst damage, light single target burst DPS (Anywhere when appropriate)
  Fire/Lightning: Alternative to Fireball, reduced radius, heavier critical damage (Anywhere when appropriate)
  Ice/Lightning: Alternative to Gunslinger, less flexible, reduced effectiveness (Anywhere when appropriate)
  
  Shockwave: Moderate damage, instant cast, heavy mana consumption. Use to interrupt attacks or defeat groups of weak/weakened enemies. (Anywhere)
  
  Blaze: Ridiculous fucking damage, huge pain in the ass to pull off (NPC, bosses, etc)
  
  Meteor Strike: Notable balance issues, heavy damage is expected, does not cause agro (Hillwen, NPC, Ecology, claimh solas, doppleganger, other bosses, etc)
  
  Hail Storm: Extremely heavy splash damage coupled with a lengthy load time and immobility; crisis support recommended (NPC, scathach, TDB, etc)
  
  Ice Spear and Hail Storm are the most consistently effective magic skills overall. Blaze and CC Firebolt are very absurd but they hold poor synergy with the rest of your skills and each sport notable issues. The best way to progress through magic would be to start with a cheap CC Savage Fire Wand, graduate to a fully upgraded/enchanted/reforged Hermit Staff, and then finish your arsenal with a reforged Savage Fire Wand or Savage Ice Wand.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2014-01-06 22:59

  Quote from Kaeporo;1185185:

  The usefulness of any tactic in Mabinogi depends on the situation.
  
  Ice Spear: Most useful overall, sets up blaze, hinders party members not using Flame Burst (ecology, TOA, etc)
  Thunder: Most useful Snap Cast stack, party members hinder effectiveness (Rafting, Falias, NPC)
  Fireball: Alternative to Thunder, improved radius, no stun, heavier critical damage (Hillwen)
  
  Fire/Ice: Heavy single target burst damage, light single target burst DPS (Anywhere when appropriate)
  Fire/Lightning: Alternative to Fireball, reduced radius, heavier critical damage (Anywhere when appropriate)
  Ice/Lightning: Alternative to Gunslinger, less flexible, reduced effectiveness (Anywhere when appropriate)
  
  Shockwave: Moderate damage, instant cast, heavy mana consumption. Use to interrupt attacks or defeat groups of weak/weakened enemies. (Anywhere)
  
  Blaze: Ridiculous fucking damage, huge pain in the ass to pull off (NPC, bosses, etc)
  
  Meteor Strike: Notable balance issues, heavy damage is expected, does not cause agro (Hillwen, NPC, Ecology, claimh solas, doppleganger, other bosses, etc)
  
  Hail Storm: Extremely heavy splash damage coupled with a lengthy load time and immobility; crisis support recommended (NPC, scathach, TDB, etc)
  
  Ice Spear and Hail Storm are the most consistently effective magic skills overall. Blaze and CC Firebolt are very absurd but they hold poor synergy with the rest of your skills and each sport notable issues. The best way to progress through magic would be to start with a cheap CC Savage Fire Wand, graduate to a fully upgraded/enchanted/reforged Hermit Staff, and then finish your arsenal with a reforged Savage Fire Wand or Savage Ice Wand.

  
  
  The one thing that CC Firebolt is really good at is in missions where you have to get the mobs inside of a circle consistently to get good mission time like say Offering and usually requires the use of an assist like Lullaby. Like this run for example
  
  [video=youtube;FFaHW5EnSU0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFaHW5EnSU0[/video]
  
  Now gunner can also do this really well if you are packing a pair of Dowras and the enemies aren't too strong. In elite though even with 1k damage boosted by overature I find it isn't as effective in Offering as CC Firebolt is. Beyond that though, I haven't found many other situations that firebolt really shines in. Just to add to the Firebolt discussion.
  
  Other than that, I've found that guns have been much more effective for me for most content with significantly less mana drain :/
• Justified wrote on 2014-01-07 00:21

  Quote from Kaeporo;1185185:

  Ice Spear: Most useful overall, sets up blaze, hinders party members not using Flame Burst (ecology, TOA, etc)

  
  
  Ice Spear + Flameburst is still glitched, I don't see it being remotely beneficial in comparison to just waiting and blazing afterwards. Unless literally the entire party is standing there ready to aoe.