Feminists Say The Darndest Things

• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-01-07 05:05
  At least i know that the Feministas from Futurama actually derive from a real source.
  
  Honestly, might be a bit off topic, but...
  
  All this racist, feminist, sexist, whatever ist shit that people spew need to stop, i mean, feminism wouldn't even really be a thing if sexism wasn't a thing. I get really sick and tired of ignorant people judging people by external factors and internal factors.
  
  
  Get along dammit.
  
  Inb4 people think i am trying to downplay or pretend shit isn't real or calling women or whatever bad, anyone who knows me knows i don't judge people based on this shit.
• Yoorah wrote on 2014-01-07 06:11
  There are some forms of feminism that are commendable. The struggles and oppression women face in poor countries are real and terrible. There's a lot of work to be done to improve the lives of these women. But there is a sharp contrast between that and the forms of feminism you see here in present times; most of that is disguised stupidity by overly self-entitled people or misguided thinking, at best. Reminded me of that quote by Hillary Clinton from one of her big speeches:
  

  Quote from Hillary Clinton:

  Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat.

  
  ...right.
  
  Men and women are different, and therefore they will never be equal. But that doesn't mean that one oppresses the other. There's benefits and challenges that are unique to each group. I see a lot of feminists taking the benefits for granted. Of course, there is room for improvement and there are reasonable feminists with reasonable goals out there--but these, from what I've seen, are a very small minority.
• Elleanior wrote on 2014-01-07 09:14

  Quote from Yoorah;1185323:

  There are some forms of feminism that are commendable. The struggles and oppression women face in poor countries are real and terrible. There's a lot of work to be done to improve the lives of these women. But there is a sharp contrast between that and the forms of feminism you see here in present times; most of that is disguised stupidity by overly self-entitled people or misguided thinking, at best. Reminded me of that quote by Hillary Clinton from one of her big speeches:
  
  ...right.
  
  Men and women are different, and therefore they will never be equal. But that doesn't mean that one oppresses the other. There's benefits and challenges that are unique to each group. I see a lot of feminists taking the benefits for granted. Of course, there is room for improvement and there are reasonable feminists with reasonable goals out there--but these, from what I've seen, are a very small minority.

  
  
  As was wonderfully stated by one character from World of Warcraft, men and women are not equal... but neither is greater than the other.
  
  There's a line, and a lot of people proclaiming "gender neutrality" have well beyond crossed it, and just because reaching the line helps your goal, it doesn't mean that you need to overshoot. Sometimes overshooting is worse. Sexual intercourse is completely natural. It's how mammal bodies were designed to reproduce. If anybody says otherwise, they're kidding themselves. Both genders have their ups and downs, and they were built to work in unison for the areas that the other isn't able to.
  
  Yeah, most people proclaiming to be feminists are purists, and it annoys the hell out of me too.
• Campylobacter jejuni wrote on 2014-01-09 02:58
  Regardless of the insane shit in the OP's quotes, everything Loopy has quoted is in fact natural.
  
  How?
  
  By occuring in nature. As opposed to what some people seem to think, the human mind and human social interaction is also a part of nature. So there. And it's not particularly hard to find examples of bad shit occurring in non-human interactions. I am reminded of the group rapes found in blue whales (yes, rape is also natural). Racism specifically may not be particularly primordial given how it's shaped by culture etc. (but that too is a natural part of the human mind), but it's still natural.
• Murasaki wrote on 2014-01-09 03:27
  It's feminists like this that make all the others look bad.
  
  Women like this are the feminist equivalent of PETA.
• Justified wrote on 2014-01-09 03:33

  Quote from Campylobacter jejuni;1186010:

  Racism specifically may not be particularly primordial given how it's shaped by culture etc. (but that too is a natural part of the human mind), but it's still natural.

  
  
  If human creation is natural, that would make cloning natural since the curiosity and problem-solving ability of humans led to it's discovery.
  
  Obviously it's not. Anything we humans create, whether physically, mentally, or socially, is not considered natural in the sense. Otherwise there would be no such thing as unnatural.
• Campylobacter jejuni wrote on 2014-01-09 03:57

  Quote from Justified;1186025:

  If human creation is natural, that would make cloning natural since the curiosity and problem-solving ability of humans led to it's discovery.
  
  Obviously it's not. Anything we humans create, whether physically, mentally, or socially, is not considered natural in the sense. Otherwise there would be no such thing as unnatural.

  
  Well then the classification of natural and unnatural makes rather little sense and may just as well be given up, which is what I've done. There may be some practical purpose to defining between natural and unnatural environments (forests versus city etc.), but as a result of natural brain activites of our natural brains, everything we do is as natural as that any other species does - which is about the same in fact. There are species that build homes (burrows, hives, nests, webs, you name it). There are species that kill and cannibalise each other. Species that rape each other. Species that discriminate based on group membership (pretty sure that's every single one - hardly better than racism, which may be just as prevalent but hard to tell given they don't mix like we do). Species that have sex with everyone. Species that would completely fuck their environment up if they weren't regulated by external factors themselves (probably also every single one). Speaking about that, do you know what an environment without wolves looks like? That's because hoofed game takes over like hell and destroys nature where it is momentarily opportune for them to do so. The fact that this was caused by humans playing apex predator to the max doesn't change anything about that.
  
  Everything we humans do, other animals do too. That's because it's all natural. We're a part of nature, if you like it or not. Maybe space shuttles aren't. But our emotions and arguments for building them are, and there's no way around it.
• Justified wrote on 2014-01-09 04:26

  Quote from Campylobacter jejuni;1186029:

  Well then the classification of natural and unnatural makes rather little sense and may just as well be given up, which is what I've done. There may be some practical purpose to defining between natural and unnatural environments (forests versus city etc.), but as a result of natural brain activites of our natural brains, everything we do is as natural as that any other species does - which is about the same in fact.

  
  
  The distinction is that animals behave purely for survival. There may be that incredibly small percent of things that wild animals do for enjoyment (Dophins/Cats/etc), but it's a very negligable amount. On the other hand, almost everything humans do is out of interest and not self-preservation, which is the distinction between something natural (necessary, obvious, normal) and unnatural (unnecessary, unwarranted).
  
  

  Quote from Campylobacter jejuni;1186029:

  Speaking about that, do you know what an environment without wolves looks like? That's because hoofed game takes over like hell and destroys nature where it is momentarily opportune for them to do so.

  
  
  Until limiting factors reduce their population back to a level that lets the ecosystem recover, or resolves the problem by letting them go extinct from severe overpopulation. Humans sustain themselves past that recalibration however.
  
  

  Quote from Campylobacter jejuni;1186029:

  Everything we humans do, other animals do too. That's because it's all natural. We're a part of nature, if you like it or not. Maybe space shuttles aren't. But our emotions and arguments for building them are, and there's no way around it.

  
  
  We aren't necessarily a part of nature. We're selfish and move away from it, which is why we have urban habitats and consider camping (getting back to nature) an activity. And we're the only species capable of doing such a thing, removing all external factors other than our own species and our own creations to make our own environment. Which is why we are exempt from the 'natural'.
• Campylobacter jejuni wrote on 2014-01-09 05:14
  Maybe almost everything we do is not for our survival because using the means given to us by nature we have gone beyond a point where it's all we have to worry about - and all we are able to do. That's quite a bit of conjecture about "animal motivation" versus human motivation btw.
  
  That's the first time I heard of that definition of natural. I suppose you can use it that way, but then the common use makes very little sense, as most natural phenomenons aren't exactly necessary. Unless you're talking about "the necessary logical conclusion of events leading to it", but in that case again technology and human behaviour would be perfectly natural. And of course let's not forget everything necessary isn't necessarily natural. Unless you want to say recycling and the state of law are natural, which I would agree upon, albeit for entirely different reasons.
  
  That's very nice. Until limiting factors reduce our capabilities to sustain such a destructive lifestyle. I see no difference here. Howe do we sustain ourselves past that recalibration? We don't. We are simply able to avoid it, for now. Both by simply not yet overstepping our boundaries and by stepping back if we do (well that is not working out too well yet - but better than with that hoofed game. I mean we at least manged to reintroduce wolves).
  That doesn't change the fact that behaving selfishly out of ignorance to the point of no return (which also happened in the situation mentioned above) is perfectly normal (and thus natural by your wishy washy definition that seems more suited to bend the meaning as is fit instead of providing a clear meaning whose merits can be discussed earnestly and that can provide clear direction).
  
  We have urban habitats because our nature is that of a social animal that congregates, while being lucky enough that nature provided us with the means to be able to sustain such huge concentrated populations and gain a competitive advantage out of it. It kind of makes you think of beehives and anthills, doesn't it? I mean the mechanism is the exact same! Only our constructions are technologically a wee bit more advanced and it's obviously on a different physical scale. Aside of that there is no difference between the concept and practise of city-building and the concept and practise of anthill-building. How is one natural yet the other not?
  I would suspect only because it is not opportune to deal with the fact that with all the bad things we've done to our dear precious nature, we're still a part of the family of nature. Out of an emotional need to elevate nature, its filthy bastard children are deemed unnatural.
• Brynn wrote on 2014-01-09 06:02
  I keep seeing more and more social justice/white hate on my dashboard.... It's pretty annoying.
• Compass wrote on 2014-01-09 06:57
  Took me forever to find.
  I should probably watch this documentary.
  

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• Cucurbita wrote on 2014-01-09 20:08
  Clearly the only true nonsuppressive method of reproduction is through insemination through medical means.
• Natural Harmonia Gropius wrote on 2014-01-09 20:15

  Quote from Cucurbita;1186247:

  Clearly the only true nonsuppressive method of reproduction is through insemination through medical means.

  
  
  Turkey baster.
• Compass wrote on 2014-01-09 21:25

  Quote from Natural Harmonia Gropius;1186254:

  Turkey baster.

  
  
  Looks to much like a penis, they'll hate it.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2014-01-09 21:34
  Anti-sex feminists are probably actually asexual.