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ironwoman wrote on 2014-01-09 22:30
For awhile, I've been collecting materials for the bone breaker lance. At some point this week, as I answered someone's question about lance too, this really got me thinking.
So far, only thing I need are scale fragments for the lance, which are getting stupidly overpriced now due to a noob that I won't name here.
Now because of this, it really got me thinking, "is bone-breaker really worth it anymore?". I mean, it is the best lance out there, no matter how big or small the difference is, but how much difference will it make?
Quote from ironwoman;1185907:
Max grade bone breaker max: 115
Lowest grade bone breaker max: 83
Demonic max: 106
Chance is, you'll probably not land the lowest roll.
Let's say you landed a roll of 110 on bone breaker with secret penetrating. And demonic with the same enchants.
Let's say you have 630 max bone breaker, and 626 demonic. Assume you attack 70 prot mob. Then you're doing 434 with bone breaker, while you're doing 413. Whether this is a big gap or not is up to you. You'd be able to see the difference most noticeably with mobs at 45 prot. I'd think lance with better elemental reforge would win.
Here's what I answered to the other lance question in the small questions thread. Now, for my situation, I have 622 max with knight lance now, meaning my max with bone breaker will be somewhere around 635~670 ish. Now with the resource I'm going to have to pay, would it be worth it to make a go for the bone breaker? Or would I be better off buying a pre-reforged, ready to special upgrade Knight Lance (ele 6)? Either ways, it'd be better than using my ele 4 lance. Or even just invest in demonic lance?
I'd like to hear this from people that actually use the bone breaker lance.
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arochia246 wrote on 2014-01-09 22:42
In the end, I really think buying gear that someone else put their sweat, blood, and tears is more cost-effective.
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Syliara wrote on 2014-01-09 22:46
While I dont lance I had this same conversation with people who did lance. Basically bone breaker is for the off chance you will get a good roll, if it gets bad roll either go for step 6 or just remake it and try again. Demonic isnt worth it dont even consider it because the repair is stupid. Bone breaker has an extra piercing level so you can cap it out with secret pene which is one of the reasons to go for it over knight lance. In the end, its up to you, do you want to test your luck and try for the chance at extra max? Or do you want to be cost efficient and just R6 ele 6 a secret pene knight lance?
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JoseTheFro wrote on 2014-01-09 23:12
I would say go for the demonic because you can step 6 one and not have to risk as much. Of course the bone-breaker looks amazing and does have the freeze effect.
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alwmiioktm wrote on 2014-01-10 03:12
If you get a shit roll resell it make some money back and by a pre-made ele KL ?
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Absol wrote on 2014-01-10 03:15
Always aim for the best. Finish the lance.
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ironwoman wrote on 2014-01-10 03:40
Thanks for the answers all, but I really can't decide, unless someone who actually uses the lance comes up and say if it's worth what I'm doing or not.
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alwmiioktm wrote on 2014-01-10 05:23
Quote from ironwoman;1186441:
Thanks for the answers all, but I really can't decide, unless someone who actually uses the lance comes up and say if it's worth what I'm doing or not.
You've already come this far with materials, I'd say that no risk= no reward. Might as well take a risk and know that it can be rewarding, plus its maxed piercing without the insane cost repair of a demonic cartel penetrating lance.
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Zekkii wrote on 2014-01-10 12:01
Well there's 3 things to the bone-breaker:
1. Highest Potential Max
2. Additional level of piercing
3. Random freezing effect
[S]4. Swag[/S]
If you're one of those people who uses Ice Dragons or Scooters constantly to prevent knockback, the third feature really isn't all that special. If you aren't, it's pretty cool. Comparatively, the Demonic Octopus Lance has nothing except the lower cost to reliably create one with a decent max.
Personally, I'd either stick with a knight lance or go for the bone-breaker. Paying an additional 13,000/point for a mere 20 max seems like a raw deal to me. Either way, going for elemental 6+ will definitely be the height of your paid character development and I recommend doing it no matter which lance you go with.
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Kenero wrote on 2014-01-10 12:13
The lance is quite useful when it does freeze. Though it is tiresome when you only 1/4 the enemies get frozen, it just leaves them open for more attacks, not just for you, but your teammates as well.
It particularly helps archers and alchemist with the freeze effect too.
However think of Bone Breaker lance as not so much a weapon you have to get (though it is superiorly stronger), but an end-game trophy in terms of cost to make it versus the cost to make a Knight Lance or Demonic Lance.
It is something you can wield with pride because not only you overcame the odds of making it but overcame the odds of the money/time barrier to create it. It is a weapon not soiled by gacha.
So treat it as a trophy goal that has function as a great weapon, but not something necessarily "need" to have, but if you're at the point that you got everything but that lance, go for it as a fun challenge for yourself.
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Froon wrote on 2014-01-10 13:25
I like how you have so much hate for the one guy buying scales.
Bone breaker is definitely not worth the cost/effort, as far as it being a weapon goes. If you want it for fashion/bragging rights, go for it. It's not likely you'll roll the lowest, it's also not anymore likely you'll roll the highest... assume half and half, 99 max likely.
Another thing, would you risk the bone-breaker trying for step 6? assuming max roll/step 5, a step 6 demonic is better anyways.
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ironwoman wrote on 2014-01-10 20:29
Not bragging rights or fashion, trying to make it a weapon like all the people that already made it have.
As for coming this far, here's the thing: I'm stuck here thanks to the dumb inflation of the scales.
You'd understand how annoying the guy is if you're on Alexina. If it were not for him, I could have bought the scales and made it by now.
I'm not looking into demonics anymore. I don't think the cost isn't worth it, especially if I get to see a cartel drop at some point.
I appreciate all your answers really, but here's the thing: none of you, as far as I know, are bone breaker users. Out of those that do use it, I just want to know if they like it or not, and whether they think it's worth the effort they put in and the effort I'm putting in at this point.
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Kenero wrote on 2014-01-10 21:16
I own one and it's a decent weapon.
Then again I may not be the best person to ask since I am not really a lance user. I just like making difficult weapons for the challenge of it.
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k1nsoo wrote on 2014-01-11 08:44
I've made lots of Bonebreakers and have ele6 one in KR. It has much better artisan rolls (str70) and an extra piercing, but I would still get a pre-reforged SP KL for the same price. The damage difference at most (max dmg roll+artisan str70) is 10 and one piercing. If you are looking for an end-game lance, bonebreaker can be a good choice. But as a user of both KL and Bonebreakers, I didn't see much differences until my lance max damage is over 600.
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The lowest roll I've got with ice lance was 42.
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Natteke wrote on 2014-01-11 09:50
Quote from ironwoman;1186709:
Not bragging rights or fashion, trying to make it a weapon like all the people that already made it have.
As for coming this far, here's the thing: I'm stuck here thanks to the dumb inflation of the scales.
You'd understand how annoying the guy is if you're on Alexina. If it were not for him, I could have bought the scales and made it by now.
I'm not looking into demonics anymore. I don't think the cost isn't worth it, especially if I get to see a cartel drop at some point.
I appreciate all your answers really, but here's the thing: none of you, as far as I know, are bone breaker users. Out of those that do use it, I just want to know if they like it or not, and whether they think it's worth the effort they put in and the effort I'm putting in at this point.
I do own one recently and i started to use it (mostly i am not a MAIN lance user but i use it alot)
and in all honestly, it got an avg roll + r6 but i think is really not worth it
that's why when it comes to combat, i always have 2 stuff such as 1 champion fire6 and 1bracer ele5 to see what i am more comfortable with, and now i do have a lion lance S5 (lol, idk why) and the bone breaker but in all honestly i do more damage with my lion lance than it, and crit is around the same that's why i just gave it to my new giant
however this is an MMORPG and for +10dmg people are willing to pay millions, that's why i suggest you see what roll do you get in bone breaker, if is an avg give it a try but if you see that is not, just sell it and use a main lance. ( iprefer knight more than demonic in all honestly)