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Campylobacter jejuni wrote on 2014-01-18 16:50
Before you start "blabla religious rights are human rights", this is not about living your religion, it's about giving your religion the right to command society to a level where human rights are not granted to certain minorities according to religious rulesets.
[video=youtube;LZ5X_lPXnvU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ5X_lPXnvU#t=1580[/video]
The Betty lady and the hideous white hag with her fat cross on her philistine chest are right and proper twats.
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ShoeMASTER wrote on 2014-01-18 17:01
2 Reasons Why I don't want to Watch that...
First: There's "RELIGION" ... I'm a Religious person but , It bores me to death...:c
Second: It's 1 Hour. ;c
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Campylobacter jejuni wrote on 2014-01-18 17:06
Yeah I was a bit taken away seeing the length, but it has very interesting parts. Especially when the Betty lady and the ugly hag don't speak.
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Natural Harmonia Gropius wrote on 2014-01-18 17:50
I'm biased in this debate. Also, way too long of a video.
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Campylobacter jejuni wrote on 2014-01-18 18:02
I presume it wouldn't be too long if it was misrepresenting History Channel garbage about something rad like aircraft carriers or Nazi-UFOs. I like feeling engaged instead of merely entertained, if you like that too, I suggest listening to at least parts of the debate, or generally episodes of that series. Some of the participants tend to be infuriating though.
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Natural Harmonia Gropius wrote on 2014-01-18 18:07
Quote from Campylobacter jejuni;1189148:
I presume it wouldn't be too long if it was misrepresenting History Channel garbage about something rad like aircraft carriers or Nazi-UFOs. I like feeling engaged instead of merely entertained, if you like that too, I suggest listening to at least parts of the debate, or generally episodes of that series. Some of the participants tend to be infuriating though.
I deal with enough bible-thumping morons here in the South.
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Osayidan wrote on 2014-01-18 19:21
I think it should be a human right to not be influenced by religion at an age where it's basically brainwashing. It should also be a right to be able to live in a society where religion has zero influence or power on things that affect said society (politics/government/education and all that).
So of course I don't think religion should have any privileges over anything else.
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TLCBonaparte wrote on 2014-01-19 04:09
Quote from Osayidan;1189166:
I think it should be a human right to not be influenced by religion at an age where it's basically brainwashing. It should also be a right to be able to live in a society where religion has zero influence or power on things that affect said society (politics/government/education and all that).
So of course I don't think religion should have any privileges over anything else.
If religion has zero power then it doesn't exist, religion by nature change people's behavior, and power by definition is the ability to make people do things they wouldn't do otherwise.
I think some spirituality in our lives aren't bad, however some religious thinking that intrude on human rights should be stopped that's all.
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Chiyuri wrote on 2014-01-20 13:32
The problem is that "Human rights" are choosen by human too. some guy in the video claimed that human rights are universal but, who are you to say that Your Universal human right are better than my Universal human right?
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800mans wrote on 2014-01-20 18:38
b/c we live in a society where power matters. Power decides what right and wrong is and if it's not power, it's majority. An individual's beliefs that goes against the crowd often means nothing. Then again how do you compare whether rights are better or not?
Imo, for this thread to sprout a meaningful discussion without out-of-control emotions we need to do some definitions and parameters.
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TLCBonaparte wrote on 2014-01-20 21:08
Quote from 800mans;1189792:
b/c we live in a society where power matters. Power decides what right and wrong is and if it's not power, it's majority. An individual's beliefs that goes against the crowd often means nothing. Then again how do you compare whether rights are better or not?
Imo, for this thread to sprout a meaningful discussion without out-of-control emotions we need to do some definitions and parameters.
There is no inherent right or wrong in this world. Morality is something society promotes in order to encourage individuals to behave in a manner that maximize social utility. So I guess what's better is what's better for social utility.
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Chiyuri wrote on 2014-01-21 04:01
Basically.. opinions varies from one individual to another.
Some beleive that human as an hole devised the perfect universal Human right
others believe that majority choose what is right and wrong
some will claim nothing is true, all is permited.
Then their are some like me who simply feel things as inherently wrong.
It's really hard to be neutral on that subject because we all see and experience the world differently. Whenever there is a true Universal human rights or not in this world doesnt matter as in the end, it's currently impossible to prove it
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TLCBonaparte wrote on 2014-01-21 05:12
Human rights is a silly idea tbh, people have no inherent right to anything, not even right to exist, that's how animals live. Rights are also the byproduct of society, because part of the benefit of being in a society is the ability to receive certain rights granted by the rules that governs civil societies.
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mageisfun wrote on 2014-01-22 06:26
Quote from Osayidan;1189166:
I think it should be a human right to not be influenced by religion at an age where it's basically brainwashing. It should also be a right to be able to live in a society where religion has zero influence or power on things that affect said society (politics/government/education and all that).
So of course I don't think religion should have any privileges over anything else.
^ This.
If you want to believe in something, that's fine. But what you believe in should not effect me.
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Phunkie wrote on 2014-01-29 00:12
I believe there are absolute wrongs and absolute wrongs. There's been some disagreement in history about what's wrong or right, and some values definitely change as we go along, but I absolutely believe that killing is always wrong. Stealing is always wrong. Cheating on your spouse is always wrong.
No matter what situation you find yourself in or what condition, it's always wrong to do these things. Killing is wrong, even if you have to do it to wage war or defend yourself from a threat. Stealing is always wrong, even if you're poor and are starving and have nothing to eat. Cheating on your spouse is wrong, even if they abuse you and beat you. Of course, sometimes we do what we have to or to get away from even more trouble, but that doesn't change what's wrong.
I believe in the Golden Rule, which says, treat people the way you want to be treated, love others the way you want to be loved. And whether you're religious or not, you find that rule everywhere, in every religion, in every political system on Earth. I believe that this is because there is an innate conscience within us which pushes us to love others naturally and do the right thing.
Christians, like myself, believe that since we were created in God's image, we were made to love just like He loves us, but that's another topic for another day.
It gets difficult when it comes to controversial things like abortion and homosexuality, because there's so much hatred and fear and disagreement among different religions and religious denominations. It's hard to tell people to mind their own business when it comes to society and religion, because for most of these people, religion is their life. You have to understand that and find a way to convince these people not that we should keep things separate, because they can't, but that perhaps their own religion doesn't see things as strict as people often interpret things.