Your thoughts on current Alchemy?

• Kenero wrote on 2014-01-25 19:06
  Elemental Wave Heatbuster is interesting...
  
  Never before have I been satisfied hitting near 40k on weakened enemies from Hydra off a crit.
  
  But the cake for visually appealing is elemental shock.
  
  That just looks amazing.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-01-25 19:37
  The damage is still pretty lackluster compared to other classes.
  That being said, it became an even better support class, as classes like bard and puppet were already shadowing over it.
• Kenero wrote on 2014-01-25 19:41

  Quote from ironwoman;1191571:

  The damage is still pretty lackluster compared to other classes.
  That being said, it became an even better support class, as classes like bard and puppet were already shadowing over it.

  
  
  Dunno. Some of the Alchemy Skills are hitting higher than what I am using with a stock HLC. Of course, elemental 6 HLC overshadows it, but for all perks and purpose, it's doing great in hard and elite.
  
  No reforge needed to for that damage. Same can be sad for magic.
  
  Which makes me think without reforges, range, melee, and fighter's damage would be much lower without their elementals.
• TJP121 wrote on 2014-01-25 20:01

  Quote from Kenero;1191564:

  
  But the cake for visually appealing is elemental shock.
  
  That just looks amazing.

  
  
  r1 rain casting and ele shock will totally make you feel like zeus
  
  OT: i love that they fixed abyss cyls R upgrades finally took them long off. After this update i personally love alchemy even more with hydra support and the decent damage it can send out its a great support for weakening the enemies and faster kills. the rebis guard is nicer than i thought it looked. I am very pleased with the update makes me even happier being an alchemist since it came out :skip:
• Windyxflower wrote on 2014-01-26 02:29
  I'm very happy about the guard cylinder. I can finally use rain cast and shock without having to switch back and forth between my savages wands. I can now have it all in one slot. I haven't tried the other skills that much but they look pretty cool. I will probably give them more of a shot once my ap pool recovers.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-01-26 03:22

  Quote from Kenero;1191573:

  Dunno. Some of the Alchemy Skills are hitting higher than what I am using with a stock HLC. Of course, elemental 6 HLC overshadows it, but for all perks and purpose, it's doing great in hard and elite.
  
  No reforge needed to for that damage. Same can be sad for magic.
  
  Which makes me think without reforges, range, melee, and fighter's damage would be much lower without their elementals.

  
  
  That's the thing though. For true end game, where you'd have good reforges, other classes do outdamage alchemy.
  Alchemy still offers tons of utility that no other gives. And even more with the patch.
  As a main class though, I do think it's still underwhelming, because by the point you reach enough stats in other classes, you will be doing more damage.
  I mean, there's already a person able to hit 10k normal mags in KR server without reforges.
• Tropa wrote on 2014-01-26 03:28
  Most of the alchemists I know just main alchemy because its fun, and it's able to clear most content now with ease.
  
  Sure, my WC's damage may not compare to blaze's 6-digit damage, but I'll always pick alchemy over other sets, just cause thats how i like to play, and I never hear people complain about me using alchemy.
  
  
  I want them to give heatbuster a sort of buff thought. :(
• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-01-26 04:07
  I used to main alchemy, because it was fun and amusing, then i stopped getting invited to runs for damage and only for support.
  That's when i dropped alchemy.
  
  
  Even this only helps support wise, compare to every other skillset, offense alchemy needs to be buffed.
  
  Needs to be an ultimate cylinder that doesnt have bad effects.
  Shitty enchant and elemental gimmick makes alchemy worthless and slow to main.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-01-26 04:08

  Quote from Tropa;1191683:

  Most of the alchemists I know just main alchemy because its fun, and it's able to clear most content now with ease.
  
  Sure, my WC's damage may not compare to blaze's 6-digit damage, but I'll always pick alchemy over other sets, just cause thats how i like to play, and I never hear people complain about me using alchemy.
  
  
  I want them to give heatbuster a sort of buff thought. :(

  
  
  Yeah, I really wanna see heatbuster working more like alchemy version of blaze.
  Then alchemy could really be used more for main class.
• TJP121 wrote on 2014-01-26 04:24

  Quote from Tropa;1191683:

  Most of the alchemists I know just main alchemy because its fun, and it's able to clear most content now with ease.
  

  
  
  this is what i thought alchemy as and why i run it, its a different and fun class to use even more with this update. Its got enough damage to hold its own in dungeons maybe not endgame damage but still worth it.
• Slayerj wrote on 2014-01-26 06:06

  Quote from Tropa;1191683:

  Most of the alchemists I know just main alchemy because its fun, and it's able to clear most content now with ease.
  
  Sure, my WC's damage may not compare to blaze's 6-digit damage, but I'll always pick alchemy over other sets, just cause thats how i like to play, and I never hear people complain about me using alchemy.
  
  
  I want them to give heatbuster a sort of buff thought. :(

  
  
  though* lol but yeah, I agree. My mage can now plow through stuff easily (for a while now really) and my elf is just bard/puppet so...lululul. But for some reason, since it first came out, more so after the chain cylinder change and crystal change, and even more now, alch just feels supper fun. I may be doing a LOT less dmg than my friends from time to time, aka in between chain WCs, but I'll still pick it instead of my rank 1 giant melee skills.
  
  Also, for that buff...it really does need it. It really only shines if you Ele it. Other wise...chain WC from a hellfire will still do more >.>; (Okay I don't actually know that but you get the picture.)
• Juno wrote on 2014-01-26 06:31
  It may not do endgame damage, but since I rarely run true endgame content, it doest enough damage. Once I can kill something in one go, I don't really care how high the numbers go.
  
  I mainly use it because I'm addicted to Synthesis though ._.
• Kenero wrote on 2014-01-26 13:45

  Quote from ironwoman;1191680:

  That's the thing though. For true end game, where you'd have good reforges, other classes do outdamage alchemy.
  Alchemy still offers tons of utility that no other gives. And even more with the patch.
  As a main class though, I do think it's still underwhelming, because by the point you reach enough stats in other classes, you will be doing more damage.
  I mean, there's already a person able to hit 10k normal mags in KR server without reforges.

  
  
  That's the thing, once you hit enough to one shot mobs in hard and elite, extra damage isn't rewarded and so far I have been one shotting in elite and hm shadow missions.
  
  But the only other places where you will need higher damage is NPC arena and certain field bosses, but elemental reforges are out the window the moment you go to raids, lord, or abyss, which at the current are just a minority content.
  
  The true weakness of alchemy isn't really the lack of damage, for all perks and purpose, it is enough to one shot things in Hard and Elite SM, which are, along with npc, the most common things to do in Mabinogi which is enough damage (especially if flameburst crits for like 5~10k per plume), but rather the lack of quick effective AOEs. Though supportive it is amazing.
  
  The true reason it suffers is because the AOE for Alchemy is nonexistance, Flame burst's area is too small, heat buster is conditional, and shock's damage is lackluster. The other classes such as range, melee, puppets, magic, and even guns have a much more manageable AOE, with rider reach and impressive damage.
  
  Without a good AOE, Alchemy can't clear rooms as fast as other skillsets, which is its major weakness. In terms of Shadow Missions, it has enough damage (though not as much damage as other skillsets), but enough to one shot in which extra damage is not awarded.
  
  If they ever fix that, it would make alchemy much better if it had a wide reach effective AOE.
• Juno wrote on 2014-01-26 13:50
  Given the new AoE Frozen Blast, I think Alchemy's utility makes up for it's low clear time. It's powerful in a way that benefits those around you while falling short of other skillsets in solo play. Rather than give it a windmill/Act 7/ Fireball / Shooting Rush, it'd be more interesting to expand on that utility role.
  
  Imagine that, a reason to have someone in the party other than raw damage output.
• Kenero wrote on 2014-01-26 13:53

  Quote from Juno;1191769:

  Given the new AoE Frozen Blast, I think Alchemy's utility makes up for it's low clear time. It's powerful in a way that benefits those around you while falling short of other skillsets in solo play. Rather than give it a windmill/Act 7/ Fireball / Shooting Rush, it'd be more interesting to expand on that utility role.
  
  Imagine that, a reason to have someone in the party other than raw damage output.

  
  
  The only problem is that utility is only as as good as hard the content is. The moment everyone in party can one-two shot things, things like alchemic utility is thrown out the window.
  
  But with harder content, where utility is much welcomed, it is much interesting to see. =)