If I Can't Accept You at Your Worst, Then Maybe You Should Stop Being So Horrible

• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-02-05 17:22

  Quote from Hanna;1195012:

  Enlighten me on the path of indifference

  
  
  Lots and lots of watching and reading and interpreting.
• Chockeh wrote on 2014-02-06 00:05

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;1194214:

  Well from what I learned in class, conflict is healthy, and can be turned into positive things if you know how. He's right about one thing, if something is wrong, then fix it, although not in a way he thinks, when something is wrong it takes more than that person to fix it, changes in relationship dynamics or mostly changes on his part is required to make the change work.

  
  
  Kinda reminded of this.
  
  

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• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2014-02-06 00:46

  Quote from Hanna;1194403:

  I've never met someone who is genuinely selfless, usually there is something they benefit from, whether it be to make themselves feel better or get a pat on the back along with an "atta boy"
  
  Impatience is normal, it runs on a spectrum?
  
  Everyone makes mistakes
  
  "Out of control" and " hard to handle" is so fucking vague and could mean anything
  
  
  Humans are fucking flawed and if you're going to sit there and tell people they're not allowed to be then you can sit there waiting for your perfect partner with one hand on your mouse and the other on your dick
  
  
  (I swear some of you will probably die alone lol)

  
  
  Most of human behaviors are selfish, But sometime people don't even realize what they do is selfish because the connections between their action and the benefits are subtle.
  
  Although I don't know, as society evolves maybe in the future people will exhibit less individuality and fully accept their community identity as their only identity.
• Chockeh wrote on 2014-02-06 00:52

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;1195172:

  Most of human behaviors are selfish, But sometime people don't even realize what they do is selfish because the connections between their action and the benefits are subtle.
  
  Although I don't know, as society evolves maybe in the future people will exhibit less individuality and fully accept their community identity as their only identity.

  
  
  That kinda sounds like communism, but it's not really something I can really disagree with. I prefer to strike a balance, but that seems nearly impossible.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2014-02-06 01:16

  Quote from Chockeh;1195176:

  That kinda sounds like communism, but it's not really something I can really disagree with. I prefer to strike a balance, but that seems nearly impossible.

  
  
  A bit, actually if we reach that state of mind, it's more like a positive environment for communism, because loss of individuality will actually fix communism's problem in its logic which is people are self serving and no one wants to work harder to carry the rest.
• Campylobacter jejuni wrote on 2014-02-08 10:10
  This discussion is fucking stupid. Just because there is a minute correlation between any action you do on your own and them making yourself feel better in some obscure way does not mean that everything you do is jsut for you to feel better. When a warrior lays down his life for the clan it's not for a net profit in personal lust. When someone gets a bad conscience and reveals something bad he's done knowing full well he's going to jail it's not for a net personal profit. It should be fucking obvious.
  
  And what's this nonsensical talk of "truly selfless"? Is that a "not a true scotsman" argument? So someone who risks his life for his community or just individual persons is not "truly selfless"? You think you're as good as a firefighter? Well fuck, you aren't. You aren't half the way.
  
  But it's ignored, because you have to make yourself feel better by lying to yourself that everything people do is for their personal profit. People always want to drag everything down to their level - it's a kind of socialism, innit. Just because you don't know how to truly give a meaningful sacrifice doesn't mean other people don't.
• Hanna wrote on 2014-02-08 15:18

  Quote from Campylobacter jejuni;1196050:

  This discussion is fucking stupid. Just because there is a minute correlation between any action you do on your own and them making yourself feel better in some obscure way does not mean that everything you do is jsut for you to feel better. When a warrior lays down his life for the clan it's not for a net profit in personal lust. When someone gets a bad conscience and reveals something bad he's done knowing full well he's going to jail it's not for a net personal profit. It should be fucking obvious.
  
  And what's this nonsensical talk of "truly selfless"? Is that a "not a true scotsman" argument? So someone who risks his life for his community or just individual persons is not "truly selfless"? You think you're as good as a firefighter? Well fuck, you aren't. You aren't half the way.
  
  But it's ignored, because you have to make yourself feel better by lying to yourself that everything people do is for their personal profit. People always want to drag everything down to their level - it's a kind of socialism, innit. Just because you don't know how to truly give a meaningful sacrifice doesn't mean other people don't.

  
  
  Nope sorry, people who volunteer jobs like firefighters tend to do so to see like Heroes, to get a pat on the back from society. Maybe part of it has to actually has to do with helping people but the main thing is "oh, look what job I have" or maybe in Germany people are just less shitty.
  People in the military tend to come from poor backgrounds and do it for the benefits, not protect anyone.
  I hate the "oh look I'm a soldier, I went to a foreign country and killed babies for no reason aren't you so proud of me?"
  
  I do believe there is good in people, but the bad, selfishness, sides almost always comes first.
  There's nothing wrong with it either, to an extent, there is nothing wrong with putting your needs ahead of everyone else's
  
  
  Maybe I'm just bitter from all of the shitty people I've met
• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-02-10 05:17

  Quote from Hanna;1196082:

  Nope sorry, people who volunteer jobs like firefighters tend to do so to see like Heroes, to get a pat on the back from society. Maybe part of it has to actually has to do with helping people but the main thing is "oh, look what job I have" or maybe in Germany people are just less shitty.
  People in the military tend to come from poor backgrounds and do it for the benefits, not protect anyone.
  I hate the "oh look I'm a soldier, I went to a foreign country and killed babies for no reason aren't you so proud of me?"
  
  I do believe there is good in people, but the bad, selfishness, sides almost always comes first.
  There's nothing wrong with it either, to an extent, there is nothing wrong with putting your needs ahead of everyone else's
  
  
  Maybe I'm just bitter from all of the shitty people I've met

  
  
  Most of the people i knew that went to the military wanted to server their country, some are proud yes, but that doesn't change their decision making.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2014-02-10 07:38

  Quote from Campylobacter jejuni;1196050:

  This discussion is fucking stupid. Just because there is a minute correlation between any action you do on your own and them making yourself feel better in some obscure way does not mean that everything you do is jsut for you to feel better. When a warrior lays down his life for the clan it's not for a net profit in personal lust. When someone gets a bad conscience and reveals something bad he's done knowing full well he's going to jail it's not for a net personal profit. It should be fucking obvious.
  
  And what's this nonsensical talk of "truly selfless"? Is that a "not a true scotsman" argument? So someone who risks his life for his community or just individual persons is not "truly selfless"? You think you're as good as a firefighter? Well fuck, you aren't. You aren't half the way.
  
  But it's ignored, because you have to make yourself feel better by lying to yourself that everything people do is for their personal profit. People always want to drag everything down to their level - it's a kind of socialism, innit. Just because you don't know how to truly give a meaningful sacrifice doesn't mean other people don't.

  
  
  It's not about feeling better about yourself, it's functionalism sociology, it tries to make connection between people's actions and society as a whole and I made the connection that moral actions are in fact self serving acts, and since moral actions are prime example of selflessness it begs the question whether anything we do are actually selfless.
  
  About people who lay down their lives for a cause, I do find it interesting, for now I am theorizing these actions as actions driven by personal values, values are formed during one's upbringing and are concrete part of one's self, more importantly values are often social driven, each society has different set of values and those that promotes patriotism might get more people willing to lay down their lives for their country.
  
  Another thing I think is related to people's truly selfless acts are spirituality and quality of life, if you look at current US military recruitment and compare it to 200 years ago or earlier people are much less motivated, there seems to be a correlation between people's willingness to die and the quality of life at the time, also how religious a culture is also contribute to selfless acts.
  
  I am not saying selflessness isn't real, it is, but it's illogical it's more of the anomaly rather than the norm.
• Yoorah wrote on 2014-02-10 22:57
  [video=youtube;-4EDhdAHrOg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg[/video]
  Relevant.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-02-11 05:28

  Quote from Yoorah;1196904:

  
  Relevant.

  
  
  You hit the nail right on the hea....
  Oh.