Choosing a cylinder

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Babbyzet wrote on 2014-02-08 23:12

I need help choosing between hellfire or abyss. I can go both but I wanna stick with one main cylinder and a secondary class of either fighter or bard.
I already have my enchants ready for my gear I just dot know if I should take the reduction on fire or water. I leaned to water just cause of frozen blast. But after frozen I would generally hydra flame. I use both fire and water evenly. Anyone has any suggestion on what cylinder to prioritize?? Any help and feedback would be great.
TJP121 wrote on 2014-02-08 23:57

personally i lean towards flame burst(because i do love fire), but i believe its all about preference. Water cannon will hit more DPS on single enemies, with abyss r5 cyl the damage for water cannon will become great even moreso when youre under a r1 rain cast. Flame burst is more suited for linear AoE groups and works very well in sulfur spiders and other missions and can also give out some very good damage with hellfire r5. I have both hellfire and abyss and i use them both depending on the SM/dungeon and also if im running party or solo.

personal recommendation: try both out, if you find yourself favoring one over the other then use that one.
Tropa wrote on 2014-02-09 00:34

Its all about how you play honestly.

Abyss if you main Watercannon, with it's long range and instant, but singular damage.

Hellfire if you wanna main Flamburst, short ranged with a good linear AoE.
- Flameburst isn't very party friendly, just saying this now!
ironwoman wrote on 2014-02-09 01:16

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Its all about how you play honestly.

Abyss if you main Watercannon, with it's long range and instant, but singular damage.

Hellfire if you wanna main Flamburst, short ranged with a good linear AoE.
- Flameburst isn't very party friendly, just saying this now!

Was just about to add on that as of right now, flame burst, even though it did get improvements from alchemy patch, a strong warrior's crit windmill will probably do the job of clearing mobs quicker than flame burst can. And there's puppets. Even though flame burst offers great utility, not much point when other classes do higher sheer damage.

I'd lean towards abyss, mainly because you'll probably be the guy that gets hated by party members if you flame burst all the time.
Babbyzet wrote on 2014-02-09 01:31

Should I blue or red abyss water

Well guys I'm a full alch I know the benefit of all the alch my main question was "using both fire and water what is better to risk fire or water damage
Tropa wrote on 2014-02-09 01:47

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Was just about to add on that as of right now, flame burst, even though it did get improvements from alchemy patch, a strong warrior's crit windmill will probably do the job of clearing mobs quicker than flame burst can. And there's puppets. Even though flame burst offers great utility, not much point when other classes do higher sheer damage.

Agreed for the most part, but a party with multiple fire alches can be devastating if you have a crisis'er or your in the middle room of SS.

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Should I blue or red abyss water

R-type for end-game, S-type for early game.

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Well guys I'm a full alch I know the benefit of all the alch my main question was "using both fire and water what is better to risk fire or water damage

I personally main Watercannon, but I do use Flameburst when the situation fits it the most.

My set is geared on water, but my Flames can still do around 2k per crit in elite mode.

For enchants, focus on ripples, then later on go for hybrid enchants like Boiling and Cowboy.
TJP121 wrote on 2014-02-09 02:02

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I personally main Watercannon, but I do use Flameburst when the situation fits it the most.

My set is geared on water, but my Flames can still do around 2k per crit in elite mode.

For enchants, focus on ripples, then later on go for hybrid enchants like Boiling and Cowboy.

This is where it varies and on preference and situation.

I personally went with flame burst gear based around fire alch enchants (explosive on clothes, magma on cyls) but still also utilizing some water enchants like spark water drop on gloves and doing explosive ripple on body.

My flame burst damage is pretty nice but i also still hit pretty hard with water cannon also.
Babbyzet wrote on 2014-02-09 02:19

Should I blue or red abyss water
Tropa wrote on 2014-02-09 02:23

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Should I blue or red abyss water

Answered above already, R-type for the long run.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-02-09 07:56

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I'd lean towards abyss, mainly because you'll probably be the guy that gets hated by party members if you flame burst all the time.

Why the hate? I thought smashers and cockblocker skills are all the hatin?
ironwoman wrote on 2014-02-09 08:44

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Why the hate? I thought smashers and cockblocker skills are all the hatin?

Not really cockblocking when your skill will do more than the flame burst. It actually becomes the other way around.

Would you think that a 20k smash would be hated when it would out damage most people's dropkicks and flame burst?