How do Skill Training Seals work?

• Rydian wrote on 2014-02-19 06:57

  Quote from easterndream;1199583:

  Could I see a screenshot of it? Also how much did it take?

  
  

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  100% training and the ability to upgrade, without the quest done at all (I never even got the empty book.)
  
  I used the seals from the Find Caravan Joe event, which were 25 each, so it only took four of those. You'd get them one per char per week.
• RegisAreus wrote on 2014-02-20 00:23

  Quote from Rydian;1199700:

  [Image: http://s18.postimg.org/6wrdyuitj/mabinogi_2014_01_21_005.jpg]

  
  100% training and the ability to upgrade, without the quest done at all (I never even got the empty book.)
  
  I used the seals from the Find Caravan Joe event, which were 25 each, so it only took four of those. You'd get them one per char per week.

  
  lol i did the exact same thing xD shock rF
• Osu wrote on 2014-02-20 15:28
  Guys for the people who actually think too far ahead or perhaps take things too literally, you may want to simplify that these seals -actually- add 5.00/15.00/25.00(Joe seal), because many skills do not have a full requirement of a flat 100.00.
  It's basically incorrect considering this, to say that they're 5%/15%/25%.
  So for those skills that have some like 862.00 full training, you don't expect to get 129.30 from a "15%" seal, you get 15.00. See my point?
  
  Granted, everyone's been clear enough on what they mean, but I still feel like this should be pointed out.
  Mabinogi is, after all, a game of many percentages and some people get used to doing a bunch of calculations and etc. when it comes to how the game runs. xP
  
  Anyway since the question has been answered in full now, I hope to watch this thread die happily. :U
• Rydian wrote on 2014-02-20 16:00

  Quote from Osu;1200141:

  Guys for the people who actually think too far ahead or perhaps take things too literally, you may want to simplify that these seals -actually- add 5.00/15.00/25.00(Joe seal), because many skills do not have a full requirement of a flat 100.00.
  It's basically incorrect considering this, to say that they're 5%/15%/25%.
  So for those skills that have some like 862.00 full training, you don't expect to get 129.30 from a "15%" seal, you get 15.00. See my point?
  
  Granted, everyone's been clear enough on what they mean, but I still feel like this should be pointed out.
  Mabinogi is, after all, a game of many percentages and some people get used to doing a bunch of calculations and etc. when it comes to how the game runs. xP
  
  Anyway since the question has been answered in full now, I hope to watch this thread die happily. :U

  ... but every skill is exactly 100 points to rank up.
  
  The only time you bother going over 100 on purpose is for mastery, that's only for R1, and skill seals do not contribute to mastery anyways because mastery is fulfilling all the requirements, not filling all the points.
• Osu wrote on 2014-02-20 16:03

  Quote from Rydian;1200146:

  ... but every skill is exactly 100 points to rank up.
  
  The only time you bother going over 100 on purpose is for mastery, that's only for R1, and skill seals do not contribute to mastery anyways because mastery is fulfilling all the requirements, not filling all the points.

  
  Re-read what I said please. The whole thing.
• Rydian wrote on 2014-02-20 17:22
  I did. You state that skills are not all 100 points, which is why I pointed out that skill seals do not contribute notable progress past ranking up because they do not complete the training requirements (which is what's checked for mastery), only add raw points (which is what's checked for the ability to rank up).
  
  They only contribute to ranking up, and ranking up is 100 points.
  So 15 points is 15% of the progress needed to rank up a skill.
  And 25 points is 25% of the progress to rank up a skill.
  
  The two terms are used interchangeably because % = "percent" = "per cent", where "cent" means a hundredth, and each single point is one hundredth of the way to ranking up a skill since they all take 100 points to rank up.
• Osu wrote on 2014-02-20 17:37

  Quote from Rydian;1200164:

  I did. You state that skills are not all 100 points, which is why I pointed out that skill seals do not contribute notable progress past ranking up because they do not complete the training requirements (which is what's checked for mastery), only add raw points (which is what's checked for the ability to rank up).
  
  They only contribute to ranking up, and ranking up is 100 points.
  So 15 points is 15% of the progress needed to rank up a skill.
  And 25 points is 25% of the progress to rank up a skill.
  
  The two terms are used interchangeably because % = "percent" = "per cent", where "cent" means a hundredth, and each single point is one hundredth of the way to ranking up a skill since they all take 100 points to rank up.

  
  *sigh* I'll admit, I've never seen "%" used for "per cent," and I'm curious how many people have either, or would even think of it.
  The central point here though is that when considering the total number, which is the first instinct upon seeing "%," you don't apply the example I already gave (total 862 coming out to 129.3) as this comes out to more than enough for ranking the skill since it goes over 100.
  I'm just pointing out you don't need one 15"%" seal to rank a skill, and that it's always going to be 15.00 out of however much there is.
  Just trying not to spread false hope, ya know?
• Friggerton wrote on 2014-02-20 17:47
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  Quote from Osu;1200167:

  *sigh* I'll admit, I've never seen "%" used for "per cent," and I'm curious how many people have either, or would even think of it.
  The central point here though is that when considering the total number, which is the first instinct upon seeing "%," you don't apply the example I already gave (total 862 coming out to 129.3) as this comes out to more than enough for ranking the skill since it goes over 100.
  I'm just pointing out you don't need one 15"%" seal to rank a skill, and that it's always going to be 15.00 out of however much there is.
  Just trying not to spread false hope, ya know?

  
  
  I get what you're saying, but the pitiful exp gained from fully training a skill makes it fairly pointless to get the training % past the 100 needed for ranking up. The exception is getting a master title, and the seals can't be used on r1 skills. So for all practical purposes, the 15 seals give you 15% of what you need to rank up a skill.
  
  I also think of percentages as hundredths... because... that's what they are.[/SIZE][/FONT]
• Osu wrote on 2014-02-20 17:52

  Quote from Friggerton;1200172:

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  I get what you're saying, but the pitiful exp gained from fully training a skill makes it fairly pointless to get the training % past the 100 needed for ranking up. The exception is getting a master title, and the seals can't be used on r1 skills. So for all practical purposes, the 15 seals give you 15% of what you need to rank up a skill.
  
  I also think of percentages as hundredths... because... that's what they are.[/SIZE][/FONT]

  
  Why is everything everyone's saying outside my point? :I
  I'm trying to say 15% of say, 862=129.3, and trying to convey that you don't use one seal to get past that rank. It's always the flat 15.00. xwx
• Rydian wrote on 2014-02-20 18:59
  But who gives a shit about 862 or 1500 or 9001? :P
  
  It's always 100 to rank up a skill.
• Osu wrote on 2014-02-20 19:00

  Quote from Rydian;1200207:

  But who gives a shit about 862 or 1500 or 9001? :P
  
  It's always 100 to rank up a skill.

  
  This again is so far off the point.. I'm going to begin asking about trolling. -w-
• Renzato wrote on 2014-02-20 19:24
  I'm with Osu on this one. You're right about no one giving a rat's ass about training a skill past 100 points for the intent to rank it. However that's not...The point he's trying to get across. This is also why I edited my post minutes after I posted it and changed it to points instead if %. If the seals gave a percentage then that would mean for most skills it'd give much more than the 15 or 25 points reflected on the actual seal. From what I can tell he is only clarifying for those ignorant to how the seals function.
• Rydian wrote on 2014-02-20 20:27
  Guys... if I were to say "the 15 seal gives you 15% of the points you need to rank up", would that be incorrect?
• Adrianblade wrote on 2014-02-20 21:12

  Quote from Rydian;1200237:

  Guys... if I were to say "the 15 seal gives you 15% of the points you need to rank up", would that be incorrect?

  
  
  It would be correct. Just some people might take it the wrong way so to make sure they get it you can instead say, "The 15 seal gives you 15% out of the 100% needed to rank up a skill."
• Rydian wrote on 2014-02-20 22:49
  ... but a percent is always of 100. :P
  "Per cent" = "Per 100".