Lucky Gathering, and Lucky Finishes

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Zekkii wrote on 2014-02-18 09:35
Recently the Mabinogi World Wiki has been updated to include the following:

"
- Lucky Bonus: 2x additional items, with its acquiring chance calculated as: (Luck - 10) / 2000
- Huge Lucky Finish: 20x additional items, with its acquiring chance calculated as: (Luck - 10) / 50000.
"

(Revision: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Lucky_Gather&diff=573618&oldid=562397)

"
- The chance of getting a lucky finish is based on probability; contrary to popular belief, the Luck stat has no bearings on this.
- There are three types of lucky finishes:
  - Lucky Finish: 2x the enemy's normal gold coin drop rate, occurring at a probability of 1/66.
  - Big Lucky Finish: 5x the enemy's normal gold coin drop rate, occurring at a probability of 1/200.
  - Huge Lucky Finish: 100x the enemy's normal gold coin drop rate, occurring at a probability of 1/1000.
"

(Revision: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Lucky_Finish&diff=573620&oldid=493402)

The source of this, most likely lifted from the files of the Mabinogi client and again lifted from some foreign wiki, isn't known. So the purpose of this thread is to question the accuracy and authenticity of this new information. Most importantly, does anyone know where it has come from or can anyone prove its accuracy or inaccuracy?
Snowie Stormflower wrote on 2014-02-18 10:14

It seems failry accurate in my case, but these numbers don't seem to mention a cap to the effect of luck.
Aubog007 wrote on 2014-02-18 10:58

Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1199350:
It seems failry accurate in my case, but these numbers don't seem to mention a cap to the effect of luck.

Because there isnt a cap to luck effects.

And what, i want sources for this, ive gotten considerably more lucky finishes with my high luck.

Oh, it's that guy. No wonder.
k1nsoo wrote on 2014-02-18 16:20

I wouldn't trust wiki unless there is a definite source. There are already too many errors in wiki itself.
Rydian wrote on 2014-02-18 16:45

I'm curious as well, I definitely feel that I get a lot more lucky finishes now with the ability to have like ~70 luck than back when I only had 20, and when playing with friends doing dungeon runs for a while, those of us that have high luck titles/secondaries on see an increase in lucky finishes versus those wearing combat titles.

I loaded up my character's stats and set access breakpoints on both the base and added Luck addresses. Neither one was read or accessed at any time when gathering potatoes... but them as a test I also looked into STR and none of that was read or accessed while beating up foxes either. So it's likely all server-sided anyways. Shame, being able to see the code for that might have been a hint as to how the numbers are used.

Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1199350:
It seems failry accurate in my case, but these numbers don't seem to mention a cap to the effect of luck.

Probably because before the talent system and merchanting, there was no luck stat increase outside of enchants and titles, which only went so high (with some like Warring being disregarded, and others like Weekend not as highly used as they might be since the production skill bonus is on Monday, not Saturday).

Though even with the additional ways to get permanent luck now, it doesn't affect item drops (only gathers and gold) which means there's not too much of a need for them to rebalance it, and it's not a stat that can skyrocket easily like Int or anything anyways, it's still limited to a much lower range than the other stats.
Esileruf wrote on 2014-02-18 16:47

Lucky Gather data is "Courtesy of overseas data miners I know who wish to remain anonymous."
Lucky Finish HAD math behind it, probably somewhat accurate and tested, but that just got swept aside by that guy and turned into "Contrary to popular belief, the Luck stat has no effect on Lucky Finish."

I'm going to hold my tongue for now and wait until master chef so i can rip out 700 luck, later ~800 by April with my entire set done aside from one item.

[SIZE="1"]I goddamn hate that page. Can't fix it either because ITS GOTTA BE 110% CORRECT MAN, and I ain't the best of miners.[/SIZE]

Woo, first useful post.
Milk wrote on 2014-02-18 16:57

It mentions lucky finish but not lucky gathering.

I know Lucky gathering chances are definitely effected by the Luck stats but in all honestly I have not seen any changes in how often Lucky Finishes occur with higher Luck stats.
Snowie Stormflower wrote on 2014-02-18 17:25

So in theory, with 510 Luck, I'll have 25% chance of a lucky finish? That's quite high.
Kyubey wrote on 2014-02-18 17:34

Quote from Aubog007;1199355:
Oh, it's that guy. No wonder.

Pretty much.
Was going to comment on how wrong that info is and then i checked who posted it...

Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1199350:
It seems failry accurate in my case, but these numbers don't seem to mention a cap to the effect of luck.

From personal experience luck cap seem to be at around 200 ish luck. Past that i don't seem to be getting that many more lucky bonuses. And considering dex effects are capped for life skills as well there's a high chance of luck being as well.
Not to mention back during the title glitch, having 999 luck wouldn't get you that much more lucky finishes