The Buckets of Color Event. - Page 8 | Mabinogi Talk

Cho wrote on 2014-03-06 00:20

I'm seeing a lot of colors that never should ever go together and a lot of newbies running around in flashies...

I'm so glad that for the most part flashy dyes pertaining to this event come as slow or pulsing ones.

Bunny wrote on 2014-03-06 00:20

Quote from Rydian;1204244:
Yeah it took me a few months of checking out fixed and flashy dyes to note that they almost all seem to have been hand-picked codes, since specific combos were showing up a hell of a lot more often than statistically probable...

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So it's good to know that this is giving entirely new things!
Either a new hand-picked pool, or truly random generation...

[FONT="Arial"]These new dyes are not randomly generated by their colors. The flashy dyes are set for specific combos. It's just that there are so many right now, so it's hard to keep track of them. They are definitely set in stone. (Otherwise I wouldn't have gotten the same exact flashy 4 times in a row.)[/FONT]

Rydian wrote on 2014-03-06 00:32

Quote from Bunny;1204312:
[FONT="Arial"]These new dyes are not randomly generated by their colors. The flashy dyes are set for specific combos. It's just that there are so many right now, so it's hard to keep track of them. They are definitely set in stone. (Otherwise I wouldn't have gotten the same exact flashy 4 times in a row.)[/FONT]

5CA7FA10
42AAFC10
42EC9810
428C00B2
48A50E10
52D6B5EE
56920610
44980093
42AD1710
54AA390D

Those are the ones I've seen so far. They definitely look randomized in terms of what the colors are (the flashy code itself seem to be picked from a small pool of possibilities, that's the first two digits, generally 00 or FF for non-flashies, and when otherwise they determine the flash type and the flash speed).

Looking at flashy color codes and what the digits mean, it's entirely possible to end up with multiple different flashies that look the same superficially because the start and end colors may vary by only like 3/255ths or something like that. (Sort of like when you have a flashy that's barely noticeable because the start and end colors are so close to each other, except comparing the start/end of two different dyes)

Apology wrote on 2014-03-06 00:52

Anyone know if I bought a pon well on my character, could I delete it and trade it off?

Tropa wrote on 2014-03-06 00:54

Quote from Kelvas;1204309:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but dyes from synthesis may result in any color (not flashy) that's in the game. It can even result in colors that are otherwise impossible to obtain.

Yup, it gives a dark blue that I use, never seen any fixed dye gachapons give it out.

Aubog007 wrote on 2014-03-06 01:08

Quote from Apology;1204327:
Anyone know if I bought a pon well on my character, could I delete it and trade it off?

Yes you can.

Apology wrote on 2014-03-06 01:15

Quote from Aubog007;1204338:
Yes you can.

:o... Ty! :3

jimpatrick wrote on 2014-03-06 03:00

wouldn't this be a wrong move for nexon?i mean dyes are like reforges for fashionogis and this fractal well would probably lower their dye profits?

BecomeMeguca wrote on 2014-03-06 03:08

3 magical wells, 1 normal well. Maid double/triple gathers. Chance of huge lucky/lucky gather.

Minimum is 26 dyes per day, or 9490 dyes per year assuming no triple gather or any lucky finishes.

I wonder what prices will be in a week for these dyes

Bunny wrote on 2014-03-06 03:14

Quote from Rydian;1204318:
5CA7FA10
42AAFC10
42EC9810
428C00B2
48A50E10
52D6B5EE
56920610
44980093
42AD1710
54AA390D

Those are the ones I've seen so far. They definitely look randomized in terms of what the colors are (the flashy code itself seem to be picked from a small pool of possibilities, that's the first two digits, generally 00 or FF for non-flashies, and when otherwise they determine the flash type and the flash speed).

Looking at flashy color codes and what the digits mean, it's entirely possible to end up with multiple different flashies that look the same superficially because the start and end colors may vary by only like 3/255ths or something like that. (Sort of like when you have a flashy that's barely noticeable because the start and end colors are so close to each other, except comparing the start/end of two different dyes)

[FONT="Arial"]I literally got four yellow-white flashies with the same sequence. (I checked this by putting them in a pet.) I do understand what you mean, though. They picked specific colors, and it seems that they are picking random colors from the "pool" you mentioned for each flashy. However, I think all the flashies are already pre-made based on the color "pool", meaning they pretty much took every single combination possible (2~4 colors) for each flashy dye, as well as specific sequences for certain color combinations that we are seeing now. Like I said, there are so many right now that it seems like they are completely randomized.

For example, I am 100% sure you won't see an extreme seizure yellow-white flashy dye. This is because they already pre-made this combination to be slow.

Also, this gave me a huge headache.

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Aubog007 wrote on 2014-03-06 03:17

I am saving up all of my dyes to have something to look at.

Rydian wrote on 2014-03-06 05:55

Quote from Bunny;1204377:
I literally got four yellow-white flashies with the same sequence. (I checked this by putting them in a pet.)

The first byte determines the flashy sequence (type and speed), and if you look at my list a lot of them are exactly the same, I'm not doubting that bit. The colors are what I find so curious.

Quote from Bunny;1204377:
I do understand what you mean, though. They picked specific colors, and it seems that they are picking random colors from the "pool" you mentioned for each flashy. However, I think all the flashies are already pre-made based on the color "pool", meaning they pretty much took every single combination possible (2~4 colors) for each flashy dye, as well as specific sequences for certain color combinations that we are seeing now. Like I said, there are so many right now that it seems like they are completely randomized.

Okay here's the color coding for non-flashy dyes and colors.
##-##-##-##
It's MRGB coding, where M is metadata (not ARGB as it could be mistaken for outside of flashies).

The first two characters are the color type. 00 or FF for no flashy.
The second set of characters is the red portion of the color.
The third set of characters is the green portion of the color.
The fourth set of characters is the blue portion of the color.

This is a hot pink.
This is also a hot pink.

The above two links are actually two different colors, each one linking to a page examining the colors.
However Mabi users would look at them both and say "hot pink".
And that's fine. They might as well be the same color as far as dyes go, right?

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However, flashy dyes don't work like that. Flashy dyes seem to have been shoehorned into the old system (which is common for mabi), but the issue is how do you fit multiple colors into the color space of a previous one? The answer is that, unlike non-flashy colors (both fixed dyes and colors from normal dyes applied to clothes), you can't specify the RGB components exactly. Instead you pick from a pool of preset selections.

Not all of this has been mapped out, but...
##-##-##-##

The first character is the type of flashing (how the colors fade into each other).
Then the second character is the speed this happens at.
The next two characters are the ID of the intermediary color(?), if it's needed. [Note 1]
The next two characters are the ID of the final color.
The last two characters are the ID of the first color.

[SPOILER="[Note 1]"]From what I've seen, flashies either have two colors, or three. A lot of two-color flashies may appear to have three because when rotating the hue, it'll run through another color before getting to the destination even if one isn't set, but this is more natural than having three colors.

Here's an example of what I mean.

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The first sequence only has two colors, a start and an end.
The second sequence has three set colors, with a middle.
(Yes I specifically chose eye-killing colors for the second.)

The first setup is more natural, and used for most of the previous fixed dyes because it makes for smooth transitions.
However these new dyes seem to have data for the intermediary color, which seems to be why some are so mismatched.[/SPOILER]

The color IDs are in hex, just like the static colors, and they go from 00 to FF, in decimal that means 256 possibilities.

00 = 000000 (Black)
01 = 002084 (Dark Blue)
02 = 008221 (Dark Green)
03 = 0082A5 (Dark Cyan)
04 = 840C18 (Dark Red)
And so on so forth.

Now, this means that flashies cannot start or end on just any exact arbitrary color. While there may be ~16.7 million possible colors for non-flashy things, there's only 256 possible colors for the start/end/middle of a flashy dye. So normally you'd think that any two flashies that look the same are made of the same code, right? That's what I thought too for a bit.

However even though there's a limited number of possibilities, they were all hand-selected by humans, so a lot of these colors are still pretty close to each other visually (like I showed above, two different pinks that look like the same damn color), and a couple of the color IDs are exactly the same even though they have different IDs. For example 0C and FA both equal FFFF00 (pure/bright yellow).

SO FINALLY my concern is not whether the dyes end up with similar or the same colors, because with the fixed-index system in use for flashies that's bound to happen. My question is whether the specific combination of IDs (what you see when you mouse over the item with color-showing mods) is random, or from a new pool of hand-picked combinations.

So if somebody on Ruairi could meet me with a bunch of dyes that look the same so I could see the colors (or if they mod make a gif and note what the color codes are), that'd be helpful in determining whether we have a new pool of combinations (and they just suck), or if they are really randomized color index picks.

Quote from Bunny;1204377:
For example, I am 100% sure you won't see an extreme seizure yellow-white flashy dye. This is because they already pre-made this combination to be slow.

Also, this gave me a huge headache.

[Image: http://24.media.tumblr.com/e320e675541a8ab131c9bb333d050f17/tumblr_n1z7l7j3qb1rxkl4uo1_250.gif]

Every dye from the well I've seen so far is a medium/slow flashy, which is determined by the first byte, and related to not the colors.

Gaby5011 wrote on 2014-03-06 15:05

Quote from SlurpTASTY;1204031:
I'm about to be blacklisted by half of Alexina.

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You're not alone.
There's two parts to the video.

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