10 Food Lies!

• Hanna wrote on 2014-03-22 19:35
  http://nickpineault.com/the-10-biggest-lies-part1/
  
  I've been following this guy's example for about a week now, and the thing I love about it is it's not telling me to eat nothing but salad and tofu
  I'm able to eat great tasting food and boost my (what I thought was) turtle metabolism, and help me build muscle faster with my current workout plan
  He's helped me point out the flaws in my current paleo diet, as well.
  
  In another article he tells you all about pasteurized milk, and ever since I switched to raw milk I'm no longer lactose intolerant
• Second wrote on 2014-03-22 21:54
  Non-pasteurized milk is illegal in Canada, is it ok in the States?
• Episkey wrote on 2014-03-22 22:16

  Quote from Hanna;1208905:

  
  I've been following this guy's example for about a week now, and the thing I love about it is it's not telling me to eat nothing but salad and tofu

  
  
  Did you buy his series of books? Or have you just been following general advice from the blog posts?
  
  I kind of want to learn more about what he has to say, because maybe I can make some positive changes in my diet. I apparently have been making some mistakes, although I knew some of these "lies" beforehand.
  
  I've always used butter for the reasons he stated; I don't even want to imagine eating trans fats - if I can help it.
  
  

  Quote from Second;1208932:

  Non-pasteurized milk is illegal in Canada, is it ok in the States?

  
  
  It differs from State to State.
  
  I remember reading some stories of people going to different U.S states, just to buy raw milk. It's kind of ... funny? I guess.
  
  Like drug smuggling ... but it's milk.
• Hanna wrote on 2014-03-22 22:59

  Quote from Episkey;1208936:

  Did you buy his series of books? Or have you just been following general advice from the blog posts?
  
  I kind of want to learn more about what he has to say, because maybe I can make some positive changes in my diet. I apparently have been making some mistakes, although I knew some of these "lies" beforehand.
  
  I've always used butter for the reasons he stated; I don't even want to imagine eating trans fats - if I can help it.
  
  
  
  It differs from State to State.
  
  I remember reading some stories of people going to different U.S states, just to buy raw milk. It's kind of ... funny? I guess.
  
  Like drug smuggling ... but it's milk.

  
  I plan to as soon as I find the spare change
  ALSO I HAVENT SEEN YOU IN 8 MONTH OMG HI
  

  Quote from Second;1208932:

  Non-pasteurized milk is illegal in Canada, is it ok in the States?

  
  It turns out that we were completely wrong about raw milk, which is a real shame because it's a wonderful thing to drink
  
  http://nickpineault.com/is-raw-milk-safe/
  http://jasonferruggia.com/raw-milk-dangerous-raw-truth/
• Campylobacter jejuni wrote on 2014-03-22 23:14
  I wasn't aware of that particular effect pasteurization allegedly has on milk, but the rest isn't new to me. Arguably that's just because my work includes food preparation in particular regards to nutrition and health and this having piqued my private interest.
  
  I'm not really buying the milk thing actually. A quick check revealed that this alkaline phosphatase is found in all parts of the human body. I didn't find anything on whether that particular variant of it actually passes the gastric acid and whether it's any use in a human body. It's a protein however and so I'm not positive it doesn't get broken down in the stomach, as proteins normally do - so I would be very surprised.
  
  And I just checked for the causes of osteporosis, since he suggested a link between alkablabla deficiency and that, and it seems it could also simply be caused by Vitamin D deficiency independent of milk consumption.
  
  I'm not buying that part and I think he's mistaken here. That Hanna reports no lactose-intolerance symptoms since switching to raw milk consumption is interesting though. One of my bosses reports a lack of those symptoms since switching from regular milk to condensed milk. I suppose something else that's not really well known may be the cause for those symptoms in either and maybe some others? Did you yet specifically test for lactose intolerance, Hanna?
• Yanm wrote on 2014-03-23 01:05

  Quote from Episkey;1208936:

  Did you buy his series of books? Or have you just been following general advice from the blog posts?
  
  I kind of want to learn more about what he has to say, because maybe I can make some positive changes in my diet. I apparently have been making some mistakes, although I knew some of these "lies" beforehand.
  
  I've always used butter for the reasons he stated; I don't even want to imagine eating trans fats - if I can help it.
  
  
  
  It differs from State to State.
  
  I remember reading some stories of people going to different U.S states, just to buy raw milk. It's kind of ... funny? I guess.
  
  Like drug smuggling ... but it's milk.

  
  
  I was the one that suggested him to Hanna. I bought the book about The Truth about fat burning foods, and read through the fat, protein and carb article. I had initially known about the macros, but this part opened my eyes more to exactly why raw food was better and how it was. Though, I did always guess that Butter was better than margarine.
• Hanna wrote on 2014-03-23 01:05

  Quote from Campylobacter jejuni;1208951:

  I wasn't aware of that particular effect pasteurization allegedly has on milk, but the rest isn't new to me. Arguably that's just because my work includes food preparation in particular regards to nutrition and health and this having piqued my private interest.
  
  I'm not really buying the milk thing actually. A quick check revealed that this alkaline phosphatase is found in all parts of the human body. I didn't find anything on whether that particular variant of it actually passes the gastric acid and whether it's any use in a human body. It's a protein however and so I'm not positive it doesn't get broken down in the stomach, as proteins normally do - so I would be very surprised.
  
  And I just checked for the causes of osteporosis, since he suggested a link between alkablabla deficiency and that, and it seems it could also simply be caused by Vitamin D deficiency independent of milk consumption.
  
  I'm not buying that part and I think he's mistaken here. That Hanna reports no lactose-intolerance symptoms since switching to raw milk consumption is interesting though. One of my bosses reports a lack of those symptoms since switching from regular milk to condensed milk. I suppose something else that's not really well known may be the cause for those symptoms in either and maybe some others? Did you yet specifically test for lactose intolerance, Hanna?

  
  I love milk and dairy like it runs in my blood and Jordan suggested it to me
  I was really skeptical, but after drinking it I had no gas, no diarrhea, and no discomfort from the milk
  After a few days I switched back to normal milk and the symptoms returned so I'm pretty convinced
  My boyfriend is the same way and even he was surprised
  Also you probably knew all of this being in Germany but I can safely say that a majority of those from North America do not
• Campylobacter jejuni wrote on 2014-03-23 10:54
  That has nothing to do with Germany, we're still taught things like "saturated fats are bad" -well those who get taught about nutrition- and the ratio between omega-3 and omega-6 is barely even mentioned, it's just private research inspired by my vocational education.
• Episkey wrote on 2014-03-24 14:53

  Quote from Hanna;1208946:

  I plan to as soon as I find the spare change
  ALSO I HAVENT SEEN YOU IN 8 MONTH OMG HI

  
  
  Hello.~
  
  Yes, I tend to vanish from time to time.
  
  

  Quote from Yanm;1208972:

  I was the one that suggested him to Hanna. I bought the book about The Truth about fat burning foods, and read through the fat, protein and carb article. I had initially known about the macros, but this part opened my eyes more to exactly why raw food was better and how it was. Though, I did always guess that Butter was better than margarine.

  
  
  I see, thanks for the suggestion - since it appears to have helped Hanna.
  
  And now I have something to spend my five seconds of free time actually looking into. Especially that olive oil test ...
• Campylobacter jejuni wrote on 2014-03-25 18:27
  @Yanm, because I read it only just now thanks to Episkey's quotation:
  
  Margarine isn't really "pure evil". Vegetable oil doesn't automatically kill you, and margarine isn't automatically overloaded with trans-fats.
  Please don't think that reading a single non-reviewed popular-scientific book without checking the sources or understanding the science makes you an expert on things...
  And again, talking about enzymes, that shit gets fucked up during digestion unless it is artificially insulated with a protective film. Raw doesn't do squat about it. You never digest raw food, because your body processes the shit out of it beforehand.
  
  Raw food is not universally better. Some foodstuff is simply not digestable without being processed beforehand, some is downright poisonous (and don't forget the "riddled with pathogens" thing), and some is actually better for you afterwards - notably carrots. Also the loss of nutrients from cooking is dreadfully exaggerated to the point of qualifying for misleading advertising. I'll just leave you with this link - an actual on-hands science experience. And more importantly food that is beyond the point of help for raw consumption (tuna that has been left out in the sun just 20 minutes too much) is brought back to safe levels again. If you wanted to take our current groceries supply and use it solely raw, you'd be in for a very rude awakening. People would die. A lot. From sickness and from malnourishment - prices would go up so badly because the lack of usable food thanks to spoiling will drive prices up madly - this either means they can't afford food or they will wage a civil war over it.
  
  A true raw food diet that gives your body everything it needs without severe health risks is a first-world exclusive luxury made possible only by excessive use of modern technology in protection, preservation and transportation (ain't no avocado growing in New England). It isn't the norm, can't be, and therefore shouldn't be. A raw food diet is not sustainable.
  
  I am really allergic to raw food crusading, even more so than against organic food crusading. This is not a matter of lifestyle. It's a matter of life.
  
  
  Have a popular-scientific internet blog source to set you straight.
• Yanm wrote on 2014-03-25 22:13

  Quote from Campylobacter jejuni;1209768:

  @Yanm, because I read it only just now thanks to Episkey's quotation:
  
  Margarine isn't really "pure evil". Vegetable oil doesn't automatically kill you, and margarine isn't automatically overloaded with trans-fats.
  Please don't think that reading a single non-reviewed popular-scientific book without checking the sources or understanding the science makes you an expert on things...
  And again, talking about enzymes, that shit gets fucked up during digestion unless it is artificially insulated with a protective film. Raw doesn't do squat about it. You never digest raw food, because your body processes the shit out of it beforehand.
  
  Raw food is not universally better. Some foodstuff is simply not digestable without being processed beforehand, some is downright poisonous (and don't forget the "riddled with pathogens" thing), and some is actually better for you afterwards - notably carrots. Also the loss of nutrients from cooking is dreadfully exaggerated to the point of qualifying for misleading advertising. I'll just leave you with this link - an actual on-hands science experience. And more importantly food that is beyond the point of help for raw consumption (tuna that has been left out in the sun just 20 minutes too much) is brought back to safe levels again. If you wanted to take our current groceries supply and use it solely raw, you'd be in for a very rude awakening. People would die. A lot. From sickness and from malnourishment - prices would go up so badly because the lack of usable food thanks to spoiling will drive prices up madly - this either means they can't afford food or they will wage a civil war over it.
  
  A true raw food diet that gives your body everything it needs without severe health risks is a first-world exclusive luxury made possible only by excessive use of modern technology in protection, preservation and transportation (ain't no avocado growing in New England). It isn't the norm, can't be, and therefore shouldn't be. A raw food diet is not sustainable.
  
  I am really allergic to raw food crusading, even more so than against organic food crusading. This is not a matter of lifestyle. It's a matter of life.
  
  
  Have a popular-scientific internet blog source to set you straight.

  
  
  Excuse me? I never said I was an expert on this stuff just because I read through his PDF. The main thing that it did was since I got into Strength Training, I initially read one thing about nutrition, which was: Eat whole foods 90% of the time, Junk foods 10% of the time, whole being that they come as close to their raw, natural state as possible. The PDF itself is a lot to read, and I mostly glanced over each area, not commit it to memory. I'm not sure where or how I even came off as being an expert in the field of nutrition, I know I'm not.
• Yuuki Asuna wrote on 2014-03-25 23:51

  Quote from Website place with weird sources:

  Lie #5: Gluten-free diets are a fad

  
  
  Diet influences the composition of the gut microbiota and host's health, particularly in patients suffering from food-related diseases. Coeliac disease (CD) is a permanent intolerance to cereal gluten proteins and the only therapy for the patients is to adhere to a life-long gluten-free diet (GFD). In the present preliminary study, the effects of a GFD on the composition and immune function of the gut microbiota were analysed in ten healthy subjects (mean age 30·3 years) over 1 month. Faecal microbiota was analysed by fluorescence in situ hybridisation (FISH) and quantitative PCR (qPCR). The ability of faecal bacteria to stimulate cytokine production by peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMC) was determined by ELISA. No significant differences in dietary intake were found before and after the GFD except for reductions (P = 0·001) in polysaccharides. Bifidobacterium, Clostridium lituseburense and Faecalibacterium prausnitzii proportions decreased (P = 0·007, P = 0·031 and P = 0·009, respectively) as a result of the GFD analysed by FISH. Bifidobacterium, Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium longum counts decreased (P = 0·020, P = 0·001 and P = 0·017, respectively), while Enterobacteriaceae and Escherichia coli counts increased (P = 0·005 and P = 0·003) after the GFD assessed by qPCR. TNF-α, interferon-γ, IL-10 and IL-8 production by PBMC stimulated with faecal samples was also reduced (P = 0·021, P = 0·037, P = 0·002 and P = 0·007, respectively) after the diet. Therefore, the GFD led to reductions in beneficial gut bacteria populations and the ability of faecal samples to stimulate the host's immunity. Thus, the GFD may constitute an environmental variable to be considered in treated CD patients for its possible effects on gut health.
  
  DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1017/S0007114509371767
  
  Suggested Reading:
  http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/04/gluten-free-whether-you-need-it-or-not/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
  
  In short, this is but of one of many examples that suggest lower gluten lowers risks for acquiring disease. But if you're poor as shit and/or young, then you're better off pursuing other avenues of eating health.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2014-03-26 02:44
  I am glad I am asian, our diets are pretty gluten free.
• Campylobacter jejuni wrote on 2014-03-26 19:15

  Quote from Yanm;1209809:

  Excuse me? I never said I was an expert on this stuff just because I read through his PDF. The main thing that it did was since I got into Strength Training, I initially read one thing about nutrition, which was: Eat whole foods 90% of the time, Junk foods 10% of the time, whole being that they come as close to their raw, natural state as possible. The PDF itself is a lot to read, and I mostly glanced over each area, not commit it to memory. I'm not sure where or how I even came off as being an expert in the field of nutrition, I know I'm not.

  
  Well you came off as fairly certain about the stuff you read. That is the problem. I react very allergic to anything hinting at a view that raw is inherently superior.
  
  "whole food nutrition" is as old and outdated as the 4th Reich. "most unaltered = best" is incorrect as a general statement.
  
  Skimming is acceptable. But it was certainly not "a lot to read" - especially not in comparison with a book.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-03-30 05:49
  Food nutrition has been dicey for me, I am woefully underweight which is a goddamn curse because it toys with my mind and perception of health.
  
  IDK, i follow the perception of you burn what you eat. Basically you work off the calories you eat, when you starve yourself occasionally, your body just does things more efficiently in my experience.
  
  Also i drink a lot of milk. Lots and lots of milk.
  
  The concept of nutrition is an odd one to me due to how i am, probably nothing save for a very intent person will change my diet.