Mana Shield MP Usage

• samsun2024 wrote on 2014-03-23 06:21
  I did a test for how much mp is used by mana shield with different M.Attack, defense and protection.
  This test is done in Math normal Dungeon. And damage is done by Gray Town Rat.
  
  The armor that I am using is Color Pirate Chinese Dragon Armor
  The Shield that I am using is Kite Shield
  
  Without armor and shield those rats only hit me with 1hp and crit rate is about 1/20.
  
  ------My Stats------
  Race: Human Female
  STR 271
  INT 308
  DEX 332
  Will 294
  Luck 59
  -----------------------
  
  rank 8 mana shield
  rank 1 light armor mastery
  rank 1 shield mastery
  
  
  Test 1 (No Shield and Armor)
  M.Attack 59 Def 35 Protection 0 M.Def 37 M.Protection 14
  
  Crit hit rate is about 1/20
  MP used about 8 (did not that crit hit into account)
  
  
  Test 2 (No Shield but wear Armor)
  M.Attack 59 Def 57 Protection 10 M.Def 45 M.Protection 17
  
  Crit hit rate 0
  MP used about 5
  
  
  Test 3 (Wear Shield and Armor)
  M.Attack 59 Def 80 Protection 20 M.Def 55 M.Protection 21
  
  Crit hit rate 0
  MP used about 1
  
  
  Test 4 (No Shield nor Armor, but with a savage fire wand to increase M.attack)
  M.Attack 115 Def 37 Protection 0 M.Def 37 M.Protection 18
  
  Crit hit rate 1/20
  MP used about 4
  
  
  Conclusion: Seem like defense and protection also have impact on mana shield and the crit rate as well. However according to wiki "Mana Shield does not take the player's Defense, Protection, and Magic Protection into calculation."
  
  Open question: What do you people think? Is that something wrong with this test ?
• SlurpTASTY wrote on 2014-03-23 06:41
  Pretty much everything on the wiki regarding recent changes to formulas (pretty much everything changed in the enlightenment patch) is inaccurate because of how complex all that shit is now. I don't think there's anything wrong with your tests because my friend also did some tests and found that the formula for mana shield efficiency on the wiki is completely wrong.
• Heine wrote on 2014-03-23 07:25

  Quote from samsun2024;1209061:

  However according to wiki "Mana Shield does not take the player's Defense, Protection, and Magic Protection into calculation."

  
  
  You're missing one thing in that quote, and that might be your answer, judging but the numbers I'm seeing. Magic Defense seems to play as the MP spent correlates to your M.DEF according to your data. You may wanna play with bigger numbers though to see more variance. Try a wolf and try to get your statsto 0 via Pot Poison so it'll drop your STR and INT and Will to 0 and by extension all those defensive stats.
  
  Also what rank Mana Shield?
• samsun2024 wrote on 2014-03-23 08:19

  Quote from Heine;1209070:

  Also what rank Mana Shield?

  
  
  r8
• Chihaya wrote on 2014-03-24 15:04
  No offense, but testing on a rat won't be really effective in determining "efficiency", since you'll probably have a greater drain of using MS (I think it was ~0.5 MP/sec?) than you'll get when you actually get hit by the rat. For me, I get hit 1's even if I'm completely naked.
  
  If you really wanted to test "efficiency", you should go to a Hardmode mission and test those same situations. I say this because the damages are greater, perhaps into the hundreds, and it's easier to determine damage ratios based on whether or not you were wearing armor or not.
  
  Aka, if 10 damage was reduced by 10%, it would be 9--a value that's really hard to pinpoint as a "difference".
  However, if 100 was reduced by 10% to 90, then you'd probably know that there was some factor that reduced the damage.
  
  Good theory though. I might go about trying this sometime as well if I'm bored out of my mind
• Chihaya wrote on 2014-03-24 15:04
  No offense, but testing on a rat won't be really effective in determining "efficiency", since you'll probably have a greater drain of using MS (I think it was ~0.5 MP/sec?) than you'll get when you actually get hit by the rat. For me, I get hit 1's even if I'm completely naked.
  
  If you really wanted to test "efficiency", you should go to a Hardmode mission and test those same situations. I say this because the damages are greater, perhaps into the hundreds, and it's easier to determine damage ratios based on whether or not you were wearing armor or not.
  
  Aka, if 10 damage was reduced by 10%, it would be 9--a value that's really hard to pinpoint as a "difference".
  However, if 100 was reduced by 10% to 90, then you'd probably know that there was some factor that reduced the damage.
  
  Good theory though. I might go about trying this sometime as well if I'm bored out of my mind
• samsun2024 wrote on 2014-03-25 07:15
  Thanks Chihaya :D, I will get more mp pots then test again in SM.
• Snowie Stormflower wrote on 2014-03-25 08:41
  I believe someone recently tested this using either the White Dragon or the Black Dragon's breath attacks (which always deal a fixed amount of damage [100]).
  
  I'm not sure how long ago that was, though.
  
  Edit: Aha, here's some:
  
  http://mabination.com/threads/78344-Mana-Shield-Formula-Reforge
• Rydian wrote on 2014-03-25 11:11
  I can confirm at least that the reforge is crap.
  
  

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