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Osayidan wrote on 2014-04-09 22:15
Even if people survive on the other end of the planet, the atmosphere would be clouded with ash. Sunlight would bounce away, global temperatures will drop. Plant life will die off, everything that feeds on it will starve to death. People who did survive long enough would fight each other for remaining scraps of food, unpoisoned water, and a relatively clean place to stay.
After a few weeks most machinery in the north and south americas will be so clogged with ash it won't work or overheat. So electricity generation and motorized transportation will be down. Further down the line the same will happen to most of the rest of the world.
That and one of the only people I care about lives in California so I'd be pretty pissed off.
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Campylobacter jejuni wrote on 2014-04-09 22:24
Quote from Ashikoki;1213876:
I don't think you understand the scope of what " horrible weather" can imply.
I know that the last eruptions haven't been harsh enough to interrupt natural evolution, this means it was not harsh enough to completely wipe out complex lifeforms, even though those didn't even have any means to engineer themselves some nice protection and workarounds.
I don't see why I should think that this will change with this new eruption. Retreating from flooding coasts and severe storms on the surface is a lot easier than dealing with the loss of nutrients - of course the bad weather and climate will be the single reason for the catastrophical agricultural situation, but
I didn't bring
that up as a contrast.
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TLCBonaparte wrote on 2014-04-09 22:48
Welp, time to build Rapture, or Columbia, either or really.
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SUNFLARE wrote on 2014-04-09 23:05
Quote from Ithiliel;1213846:
You do realize that Yellowstone, when it erupts, the ash alone will travel all the way to the UK? Any other debris (volcanic rock, etc) will affect all the surrounding states and Canada. So no, its not just an "eh" I'll deal with it. You would probably die.
Also, I fucking love volcanoes. It was my area of study when I was working on my BA in geology. Yellowstone in particular was my favorite to study, this discussion makes me happy!
Wierd though i got done reading the estimated chart would get close to us Sorry itinill i must have misread the eruption chart my bad and as for invisible i walk alot atm mainly do to fixing my car atm :c Forgot also about how itll blanket the sky
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Invisible wrote on 2014-04-09 23:57
Quote from Campylobacter jejuni;1213880:
I know that the last eruptions haven't been harsh enough to interrupt natural evolution, this means it was not harsh enough to completely wipe out complex lifeforms, even though those didn't even have any means to engineer themselves some nice protection and workarounds.
I don't see why I should think that this will change with this new eruption. Retreating from flooding coasts and severe storms on the surface is a lot easier than dealing with the loss of nutrients - of course the bad weather and climate will be the single reason for the catastrophical agricultural situation, but I didn't bring that up as a contrast.
Didn't the Toba supereruption bring humanity down to like 300 breeding pairs? That definitely couldn't have affected our evolution, right?
Personally, I think humanity would be wiped out after another supereruption. Most people don't know the basic survival training required to survive in the wild; meaning they're not going to last a few months after the eruption and the collapse of society.
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Ketchup wrote on 2014-04-10 02:34
There's also the chance of a runaway greenhouse effect. Humanity is doomed either way when Yellowstone goes off sucks that I live in California.
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Kingofrunes wrote on 2014-04-10 03:54
And here I was sitting wondering when the Sun would wipe us out from going into the Red Giant phrase. Guess Volcano's will wipe us out way before that then.
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Hanna wrote on 2014-04-10 04:29
Quote from Space Pirate Nithiel;1213754:
My rule on life is: I don't care what happens unless it affects me. So as long as I survive whatever wants to blow up can blow up.
You seem to be missing the big picture here
If this volcano were to erupt in our lifetime you, me, everyone will be dead
This kind of thing scares me, I know how to survive off of the land, but where I live now I'd be dead almost immediately
And if for some reason I did survive I couldn't fight hordes of people and everyone left would either starve or freeze to death
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Syliara wrote on 2014-04-10 06:07
This thread depresses me....
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Campylobacter jejuni wrote on 2014-04-10 13:33
Quote from Invisible;1213916:
Didn't the Toba supereruption bring humanity down to like 300 breeding pairs? That definitely couldn't have affected our evolution, right?
I've heard of that assumption -though with different numbers- but I'm not buying it. Also at that time humanity wasn't quite as, shall we say, diversified as it is today. We occupy every cranny and nook on this planet, and we could easily dig us out some more nooks. I mean hell, we can build shelter in the antarctica.
Humanity won't even come close to eradication, unless the following unrest causes complete loss of order and a large-scale nuclear war.
People stop your doomsday fantasies. It seems imaginably dangerous to us, but it's a regular part of life on planet earth - these things happen "all the time". I think humanity may experience something of a global "black death" maybe, because we have very little headroom left for our exploitation of natural ressources and won't be able to compensate for the losses, but eventually we'll still move to Alpha Centauri. And if we don't, it's rather because of a "chemotherapy" for mother earth, not one of her zits exploding.
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TLCBonaparte wrote on 2014-04-10 14:47
Quote from Campylobacter jejuni;1214053:
I've heard of that assumption -though with different numbers- but I'm not buying it. Also at that time humanity wasn't quite as, shall we say, diversified as it is today. We occupy every cranny and nook on this planet, and we could easily dig us out some more nooks. I mean hell, we can build shelter in the antarctica.
Humanity won't even come close to eradication, unless the following unrest causes complete loss of order and a large-scale nuclear war.
People stop your doomsday fantasies. It seems imaginably dangerous to us, but it's a regular part of life on planet earth - these things happen "all the time". I think humanity may experience something of a global "black death" maybe, because we have very little headroom left for our exploitation of natural ressources and won't be able to compensate for the losses, but eventually we'll still move to Alpha Centauri. And if we don't, it's rather because of a "chemotherapy" for mother earth, not one of her zits exploding.
This man speaks the truth, planet crushing asteroid fall on earth? Come now that's just your average Wednesday.
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Campylobacter jejuni wrote on 2014-04-10 18:57
Quote from TLCBonaparte;1214074:
This man speaks the truth, planet crushing asteroid fall on earth? Come now that's just your average Wednesday.
Maybe you'll want to look up how many times the Yellowstone hotspot actually blew up, and at which times. And then you should remember it's not the only of those places on the world. These things happened all the time, ever since before life on earth even began. So what would make it different this time that would directly lead to the eradication of something as adaptable as mammals and as established as the human species? That SCREAMS implausibility.
Quote from Ketchup;1213950:
There's also the chance of a runaway greenhouse effect. Humanity is doomed either way when Yellowstone goes off sucks that I live in California.
No there's absolutely not. Volcanic eruptions spew sulphur into the air, that means it'll rather cause an ice age than anything else.
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Invisible wrote on 2014-04-11 00:42
Well, doomsday theories aside, I would enjoy strolling across the volcanic wasteland looking for some gneiss schist.
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Evaris wrote on 2014-04-12 02:56
What's with everyone over-exaggerating the effects of a supervolcano eruption? Will ash clouds reach most of the planet? Sure. Does this mean the entirety of the Americas are screwed? Not really, you'll have less than 6 inches of ashfall in most of the USA east of the Mississippi and west of the Rockies if it were like the eruption 640,000 years ago (which the caldera is slightly smaller than that eruption). In the north, where there is snow removal equipment and housing is built to in most places the standard of at least a foot of snow weighing on roofs, there won't be that much structural damage and traffic routes will be cleared quickly enough. Given weather patterns and the increased distance, the Southern states east of the Mississippi also would not receive that much ashfall and generally structures would be okay, though it would be longer before traffic routes would be clear. Initial deaths may happen across the board from ash inhalation, but given anyone who paid attention in history class or geology would know the effects of inhaled volcanic ash, and would know to keep their mouth covered with a facemask, or at least a wet cloth. Emergency food supplies will last a year in the USA, though that means cutting off our supplies to the rest of the world. And there is how most people will die from it initially - starvation. A lot of people don't realize just how much of the world's food is grown in the USA. China and Japan for example would be quite screwed in this case. Then depending on season and a number of other factors, the ash cover is likely to cause an ice age; with temperatures worldwide dropping over a period of one to two years. Sunlight would be insufficient for many crops however in this time, and most of the northern hemisphere will need to focus on soy and other bean crops, alongside potatoes. Those initially living in Canada and the northern USA who survive will need to move below a median line in the case that temperatures do drop significantly within the first few months, which pretty much cuts out everywhere north of the nose of Iowa.
Meanwhile, depending on circumstances, much of Europe would be screwed and pretty much everyone would have to move down to the Mediterranean nations in the case it was propagating an ice age. Worldwide; martial law would be widely enacted by Governments due to the disaster in general. Given the scarcity of resources, one of two events would happen; either the UN would have to fuse into a true one-world government in order to control the flow of food and resources in order to sustain civilization via rationing, or the governments of the world decide to be greedy / distrusting, and we get a full on world war 3, with the possibility of nuclear warfare given the desperation some nations may feel.
So honestly speaking, I'm more worried of the reaction of government leaders than the supervolcano itself; I live outside of the true danger zone. I live in a northern state with plenty of snow-removal equipment. I live in a farming community with multiple granaries and dairy farms, and the region is powered by multiple hydroelectric dams and a nuclear power plant. So what will I do if it blows? Mourn for my loved ones such as my mom who would probably die in this disaster, survive, and hope by the graces of any mercy the gods may have that the world governments would see reason and work together instead of destroying themselves.
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TLCBonaparte wrote on 2014-04-12 03:23
Will we become like Mad Max the road warrior? Can I dress myself in leather and spike?