[Mabinogi-JP] Regeneration Update / Ninjas

• Timefall wrote on 2014-07-07 07:58

  Quote from Caedis;1230637:

  Thanks for the info, it will be tradable? I got the ticket on an alt so if it is not tradable, please prepare a gun and shoot me on my head.

  
  
  I too was able to get a Shadowy Coupon on my alt. It is not tradable to other people, but can be moved between your characters using the bank.
  
  Also, I believe the Strength Shuriken was given in exchange for the Weapon Fragments, not the Shadowy Coupon. The Coupon says it can be exchanged for a "unique consumable item" once ninja is released. Any clue as to what that might be?
• Ryufujibayashi wrote on 2014-07-07 12:58

  Quote from Timefall;1230645:

  I too was able to get a Shadowy Coupon on my alt. It is not tradable to other people, but can be moved between your characters using the bank.
  
  Also, I believe the Strength Shuriken was given in exchange for the Weapon Fragments, not the Shadowy Coupon. The Coupon says it can be exchanged for a "unique consumable item" once ninja is released. Any clue as to what that might be?

  
  
  I believe it may be exchanged for a ninja themed enchant. But I'm not sure.
• Homucifer wrote on 2014-07-07 14:02

  Quote from Ryufujibayashi;1230678:

  I believe it may be exchanged for a ninja themed enchant. But I'm not sure.

  
  
  I think you're right. This means it's safe to say the talent will come before the 12th though right? since we get a message saying it can't be used before july 12th.
• Ryufujibayashi wrote on 2014-07-07 15:53

  Quote from Homucifer;1230685:

  I think you're right. This means it's safe to say the talent will come before the 12th though right? since we get a message saying it can't be used before july 12th.

  
  
  hmmm... yeah that message is a little concerning. I think the earliest we could possibly get it would be on the 15th. Tuesday Maint, since it starts "from the shadows." the latest would be immediately after the event ends. If they're intend on rushing the skillset out as fast as they possibly can (which seems to be what they're doing as it's not even been a month since Japan got it) I think the talent will come out during the event, and people will get the shuriken a few days after the talent comes out, which would mess up the order since Japan had to wait until the event ended. but I dunno... they probably only see $$$ at this point and don't really care about the order of the event and talent release.
  
  I don't mind though. totally ready for the talent... but I've only got up to 1048 AP saved up for it >3< thank goodness for weekly rbs though @_@
• Homucifer wrote on 2014-07-07 16:17

  Quote from Ryufujibayashi;1230700:

  hmmm... yeah that message is a little concerning. I think the earliest we could possibly get it would be on the 15th. Tuesday Maint, since it starts "from the shadows." the latest would be immediately after the event ends. If they're intend on rushing the skillset out as fast as they possibly can (which seems to be what they're doing as it's not even been a month since Japan got it) I think the talent will come out during the event, and people will get the shuriken a few days after the talent comes out, which would mess up the order since Japan had to wait until the event ended. but I dunno... they probably only see $$$ at this point and don't really care about the order of the event and talent release.
  
  I don't mind though. totally ready for the talent... but I've only got up to 1048 AP saved up for it >3< thank goodness for weekly rbs though @_@

  
  
  Yea i'm not too sure but it would be odd for them to make the coupon usable before the talent gets implemented. Especially if it's a perishable item like enchants or training potions. They might also do a maintenance on thursday or friday like before... that way people that did the shadow event everyday will already have 10 fragments for their shuriken right before the coupon is usable.
• Lolguy12 wrote on 2014-07-07 16:54

  Quote from Homucifer;1230702:

  Yea i'm not too sure but it would be odd for them to make the coupon usable before the talent gets implemented. Especially if it's a perishable item like enchants or training potions. They might also do a maintenance on thursday or friday like before... that way people that did the shadow event everyday will already have 10 fragments for their shuriken right before the coupon is usable.

  
  
  is the event shuriken tradeable and/or movable through banks and pets?
• Osu wrote on 2014-07-07 17:50

  Quote from Lolguy12;1230709:

  is the event shuriken tradeable and/or movable through banks and pets?

  
  Weapons obtained in this manner in the past have never been bound, so they oughta be pet transferable.. and able to be sold to others and etc.
  Again though, "oughta be."
• Lolguy12 wrote on 2014-07-07 17:56

  Quote from Osu;1230720:

  Weapons obtained in this manner in the past have never been bound, so they oughta be pet transferable.. and able to be sold to others and etc.
  Again though, "oughta be."

  
  ty
• Rydian wrote on 2014-07-07 19:16

  Quote from Darkboy132;1230577:

  Except thunder has long loading[...]

  Starting at rank 6, Thunder hits 3 enemies on the first charge (and it an additional 2 enemies per additional thunder charge regardless of rank). This means that a barrage of single charges can easily wipe out most hobgoblins because despite the longer cast time, you hit more enemies at a higher range which more than makes up for it.
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1230636:

  Effective or not, CAN IT HIT hobgobs from the edge of the river?

  Yes, but about as effectively as you can raft with basic bolt spells. You will be running around on the raft from one side to the other over and over and a lot of things will not be in attackable range anyways, while you will be within their attackable range a lot of the time.
  
  Throwing Shuriken range caps at 1300 at R1 (at that point it slightly surpasses barehanded bolt spells which are 1200 while any basic bolt spell with the matching elemental wand has a range of 1400 so Lightning Bolt rank F with the wand even beats Throwing Shuriken Rank 1's range), while Thunder has 2000 range and hits multiple enemies per charge at higher ranks like I mentioned above.
  
  For more comparisons, an unupgraded Leather Long Bow has a range of 2000, Spirit bows are often 2500 or 2600 range depending on the model, further giving range an advantage over Ninja, being able to target and attack targets that are up to twice as far away as Ninja skills can.
  
  Barring unforseen updates or skill tweaks, ranged attacks and Thunder will still be the fastest and most reliable methods to attack the most enemies on the raft simply due to the range issues, since the raft speed is not controllable and you have a limited amount of time to attack each group.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2014-07-07 19:27

  Quote from Rydian;1230744:

  Starting at rank 6, Thunder hits 3 enemies on the first charge (and it an additional 2 enemies per additional thunder charge regardless of rank). This means that a barrage of single charges can easily wipe out most hobgoblins because despite the longer cast time, you hit more enemies at a higher range which more than makes up for it.
  
  Yes, but about as effectively as you can raft with basic bolt spells. You will be running around on the raft from one side to the other over and over and a lot of things will not be in attackable range anyways, while you will be within their attackable range a lot of the time.
  
  Throwing Shuriken range caps at 1300 at R1 (at that point it slightly surpasses barehanded bolt spells which are 1200 while any basic bolt spell with the matching elemental wand has a range of 1400 so Lightning Bolt rank F with the wand even beats Throwing Shuriken Rank 1's range), while Thunder has 2000 range and hits multiple enemies per charge at higher ranks like I mentioned above.
  
  For more comparisons, an unupgraded Leather Long Bow has a range of 2000, Spirit bows are often 2500 or 2600 range depending on the model, further giving range an advantage over Ninja, being able to target and attack targets that are up to twice as far away as Ninja skills can.
  
  Barring unforseen updates or skill tweaks, ranged attacks and Thunder will still be the fastest and most reliable methods to attack the most enemies on the raft simply due to the range issues, since the raft speed is not controllable and you have a limited amount of time to attack each group.

  
  
  Not to mention the fact that you can knock Thunder's load time down to 1.6 seconds with enough intelligence and Vivace...not that the standard load time hasn't worked for everyone since the dawn of rafting.
  
  Thunder is the best method, full-stop but it locks you into the standby period unless you load an additional skill. That's the reason why ranged is still an option. You want to be able to use Shock whenever possible. It's not too terribly difficult to nab 8~11 stars in the first section.
  
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  Smokescreen has invincibility frames.
• Osu wrote on 2014-07-07 22:39

  Quote from Kaeporo;1230749:

  Smokescreen has invincibility frames.

  
  More incentive to rank it beyond the stats, fantastic.
  
  You seem like someone to ask this also. That video that talks about at r7 of the shuriken barrage, taking 4750 uses.. do they mean that for the single rank of 7, or overall to reach r7? If the former, I need to mentally prepare for this rofl.
• KINGZZ wrote on 2014-07-07 23:44
  Question i know was answered i think. Do the ninja weapons count as 1h for special upgrades/enchants and reforges? or 2h? Sorry if this was asked already
• Ryufujibayashi wrote on 2014-07-07 23:58

  Quote from KINGZZ;1230827:

  Question i know was answered i think. Do the ninja weapons count as 1h for special upgrades/enchants and reforges? or 2h? Sorry if this was asked already

  
  
  They count as 1 hand
• Kaeporo wrote on 2014-07-08 00:18

  Quote from Osu;1230800:

  More incentive to rank it beyond the stats, fantastic.
  
  You seem like someone to ask this also. That video that talks about at r7 of the shuriken barrage, taking 4750 uses.. do they mean that for the single rank of 7, or overall to reach r7? If the former, I need to mentally prepare for this rofl.

  
  
  Kunai Rush - Rank 7
  Use the skill successfully: 0.01 | 6,000 counts
  Activate a critical hit: 0.025 | 1,100 counts
  Damage three opponents with one attack: 0.1 | 250 counts
  
  Assuming you complete the other requirements you will need to successfully use the skill 4,750 times.
  
  You'll have to use this particular skill around 35,000 times in order to reach Rank 1.
  
  A "Ninja Mark" would really, really cut down the grinding here.
• Kapra wrote on 2014-07-08 00:59

  Quote from KINGZZ;1230827:

  Question i know was answered i think. Do the ninja weapons count as 1h for special upgrades/enchants and reforges? or 2h? Sorry if this was asked already

  
  1 handed enchants. And I believe the red special upgrade is 1 handed and the blue special upgrade is 2 handed, like Merlin Knuckles. I don't know if the reforges are 1 handed or 2 handed.
  
  
  I also had no idea what the Shadowy Coupon was until today. I don't think JP had Abelia's Giftbox, not sure. The item they're giving out is probably just a 2x training potion. (Also the items description says 6/12, not 7/12, so its possibly the day is also incorrect, not just the month.)