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• Yoorah wrote on 2014-04-18 20:03

  Quote from Kyouria;1215674:

  https://www.digitalstormonline.com/configurator.asp?id=941148
  
  Another one *_*
  
  Building computers isn't for me; I don't want to put the time and effort into learning how to build one then hoping that I did it right so it's not a block of money. :c
  
  I just want a nice gaming desktop (general gaming and also FPS gaming) that will last me several years. The computer must also be good with streaming videos (i.e. twitch), recording (fraps), photoshop, and other day to day computer use like browsing and streaming.
  
  The only games I play at the moment are TERA Online and Mabinogi (semi-quit atm). But looking ahead, I want it to be able to support heavier-demanding games too.

  
  As mentioned before, this one is also a worse deal than the first one you've posted.
  
  I've tried to configure a roughly comparable system to the Vanquish II at CyberPowerPC and it came to something like $50 less, or $150 less if you count the $100 rebate they have for Windows 8.1 (I hate mail-in rebates, they are sometimes unreliable, so I typically don't consider them). They do take longer to build and probably don't test the systems as well, though. I've also seen too many reviews of dented cases for my liking, though I dunno if it's any different with DigitalStorm in this regard. I've also checked with NCIX and their cost was comparable.
  
  My only real gripe with the Vanquish II is that its 8GB of RAM is in 4 x 2GB configuration. This means all motherboard RAM slots are used up, and therefore you'll have to throw out some of the RAM sticks in case you wish to upgrade later. If they had a 2 x 4GB configuration, for example, you'd be able to add another 2 x 4GB at a later point to upgrade to 16GB some time down the road without wasting RAM. Maybe you can call them and demand that they change it to a 2 x 4GB setup for free (you'd have the same total RAM capacity).
• Compass wrote on 2014-04-18 20:51

  Quote from Yoorah;1215799:

  My only real gripe with the Vanquish II is that its 8GB of RAM is in 4 x 2GB configuration. This means all motherboard RAM slots are used up, and therefore you'll have to throw out some of the RAM sticks in case you wish to upgrade later. If they had a 2 x 4GB configuration, for example, you'd be able to add another 2 x 4GB at a later point to upgrade to 16GB some time down the road without wasting RAM.

  
  I doesn't matter if the ram slots are all used up, 8GB will be good enough for years. There's really no reason to upgrade to 16GB especially for gaming.
• Ithiliel wrote on 2014-04-18 22:05
  Cleaned up the thread. If either of you two start flaming each other again, you're both going to be getting an infraction.
  
  Play nice.
• Yoorah wrote on 2014-04-22 00:34
  You may not need 8GB purely for gaming right now, but you may need it in a few years. In fact, it's already been a few years since it was considered to be optimal to have 12GB+ of RAM as to ensure that one has enough spare capacity to set up a RAM Disk. Then there's heavy multitasking--there's no point to spend that much money on a build overall, only to have it limited in such a simple fashion. Not to mention that a 4 x 2GB setup is retarded no matter how you look at it... I mean, honestly. It doesn't hurt to ask them to give you a proper setup when you're paying a ~$200 premium.
  
  Oh, and Kyouria, if you haven't ordered the system yet, there's actually another option to consider: You can have NCIX US assemble and test a system for you from a 100% custom build for just $50 extra. NCIX isn't the cheapest place to buy parts from based on list price, but they do try to manually price match if you give them a link to a better deal online. I've ordered most of the parts for my builds from them; they're well-known to be a reliable dealer in Canada for a long time and they've expanded into the US a few years ago. If you're interested in going this route, let me know and I'll (or someone else will) help you put together a parts list which should be cheaper than the Vanquish II for equal performance/quality, or we can pick higher quality parts if you want, etc.
• Compass wrote on 2014-04-24 03:24

  Quote from Yoorah;1216541:

  You may not need 8GB purely for gaming right now, but you may need it in a few years.

  
  Games don't even fully use 4GB. 8GB is plenty.
  
  

  Quote from Yoorah;1216541:

  In fact, it's already been a few years since it was considered to be optimal to have 12GB+ of RAM as to ensure that one has enough spare capacity to set up a RAM Disk.

  
  And this is where you try to sway the topic. I'm talking about this build specifically and the purposes for it.
  This is always the go to answer for people who try justifying more RAM.
  Of course with this situation more is better, there really is no reason you'd want less.
  
  

  Quote from Yoorah;1216541:

  Then there's heavy multitasking

  
  If you're getting a PC primarily to play games there's not going to be any heavy multi-tasking. If a build was also used for decent to serious video editing or 3D graphic modeling then yes, I'd agree with you, but for gaming it's completely okay.
  
  

  Quote from Yoorah;1216541:

  there's no point to spend that much money on a build overall, only to have it limited in such a simple fashion.

  
  The same can be said with other parts as well.
  
  

  Quote from Yoorah;1216541:

  Not to mention that a 4 x 2GB setup is retarded no matter how you look at it... I mean, honestly. It doesn't hurt to ask them to give you a proper setup when you're paying a ~$200 premium.

  
  It's really not a deal breaker.
• Cyrene wrote on 2014-05-01 01:46

  Quote from Kyouria;1215501:

  Yeah.. I'm still contemplating Vanquish II or not. :( I don't want to regret buying it like I did my Asus gaming laptop lol.

  
  
  Yea.. Laptops aren't very good for gaming unless you wanna spend over 2000+ on it and even then a desktop will still get you much more power for less.
  
  On topic, If you are really set on buying one, I suggest Ibuypower or Cyberpower because I've heard of them and plus there you can customize the pcs fairly well on them before buying. They're also making the two 500 dollar steam machines and they seem to have a pretty nice value for the parts they are putting in. Those come out this year so you may want to check them out.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-05-01 09:39
  Normally i don't insert my 2 cents into a PC building discussion... But.
  
  
  I love having 16GB of RAM, sure, no one game will use 16gb of ram...
  But when you have 4 games running, 10 internet tabs open, a couple of background stuff running. Yes, you burn through that like candy.
  
  
  My computer ran me 1k USD. Came with 2x8 RAM, 50-60GB SSD, 1 TB Drive, AMD 8core 3.4GHz. AMD radeon 7700 vid card.
  
  I cannibalized the monitor, keyboard, a hard drive, mouse.
  
  1.5 years old and runs most things on max. Good enough for me.
  Thinking about building another one. Stronger with more intel parts and a better video card. But that would be throwing my money away. Ill probably wait 8 years to upgrade like last time, and i only did because mabi bloated itself to incomprehensible levels.
• Compass wrote on 2014-05-01 16:26

  Quote from Crye;1218042:

  They're also making the two 500 dollar steam machines and they seem to have a pretty nice value for the parts they are putting in. Those come out this year so you may want to check them out.

  
  iBuyPower released the specs of their $500 Steam machine. It's bad and should be avoided.
• Cyrene wrote on 2014-05-01 18:49
  That is extremely dissapointing then. So steam machines are guarenteed to suck. Well there's still hope for the cyberpower and christine? (Even though its just a concept and not a steam machine)
• Compass wrote on 2014-05-02 00:09

  Quote from Crye;1218219:

  That is extremely dissapointing then. So steam machines are guarenteed to suck. Well there's still hope for the cyberpower and christine? (Even though its just a concept and not a steam machine)

  
  Christine?
  I may be wrong, but I doubt the other Steam Machines will be "value savers". They're primarily marketed to people who are new to PC gaming and not to people who have a capable computer or knowledge to build one.
  These companies need to make a profit somehow.
• MissRissa wrote on 2014-05-02 00:23

  Quote from Friggerton;1215395:

  
  
  I like your signature. o3o
  
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• Cyrene wrote on 2014-05-02 13:34

  Quote from Compass;1218276:

  Christine?
  I may be wrong, but I doubt the other Steam Machines will be "value savers". They're primarily marketed to people who are new to PC gaming and not to people who have a capable computer or knowledge to build one.
  These companies need to make a profit somehow.

  
  
  Only Cyberpower and Ibuypower were trying to hit that 500 dollar mark. The rest are pretty eh and pricey, like the falcon NW one.
  
  This is the christine and its just a concept. I don't see this happening anytime soon though for a reasonable price.
• Yoorah wrote on 2014-05-10 03:06

  Quote from Aubog007;1218159:

  Normally i don't insert my 2 cents into a PC building discussion... But.
  
  
  I love having 16GB of RAM, sure, no one game will use 16gb of ram...
  But when you have 4 games running, 10 internet tabs open, a couple of background stuff running. Yes, you burn through that like candy.
  
  
  My computer ran me 1k USD. Came with 2x8 RAM, 50-60GB SSD, 1 TB Drive, AMD 8core 3.4GHz. AMD radeon 7700 vid card.
  
  I cannibalized the monitor, keyboard, a hard drive, mouse.
  
  1.5 years old and runs most things on max. Good enough for me.
  Thinking about building another one. Stronger with more intel parts and a better video card. But that would be throwing my money away. Ill probably wait 8 years to upgrade like last time, and i only did because mabi bloated itself to incomprehensible levels.

  
  Pretty much. I don't have any demanding games to test, but here's FFXIV running and taking up 1.3GB. Given how Windows maximizes available RAM for caching, plus a few usual apps running in the background, RAM usage looks like this:
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/7OcZ8xe.png]

  
  ...this is almost half of my 16 GB of RAM taken up. Yes, a big chunk of it isn't being actively used and it will not affect FPS, but it will affect the system's overall responsiveness. This is without the RAM Disk running, for which you wanna allocate around 2 GB--again, to help with overall system performance and things like game loading speed, depending on the title.
  
  8 GB really is the minimum you want for gaming--with current titles. Future titles will push this hard. You want 16 GB for a higher end system, and one should most definitely never fill their motherboard slots with a 4 x 2 GB RAM setup. :v
  
  

  Quote from Crye;1218365:

  Only Cyberpower and Ibuypower were trying to hit that 500 dollar mark. The rest are pretty eh and pricey, like the falcon NW one.
  
  This is the christine and its just a concept. I don't see this happening anytime soon though for a reasonable price.

  
  Cyberpower is indeed a pretty good deal; as I've posted before, I was able to configure a comparable system there for quite a bit cheaper. I'm not a fan of Steamboxes, though. Nor am I a fan of that Christine thing... it's a really silly and impractical design. If you wanna be fancy, just get a nice case like the Antec P280 and build a decent system in there, if you can. If you can't, then have it assembled for you. xd