Philips seeks Wii U production Ban.

• Taycat wrote on 2014-05-19 17:21

  Quote from Space Pirate Nithiel;1220832:

  Doesn't Philips make VCRs?

  
  
  well they made this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philips_CD-i
• Taycat wrote on 2014-05-19 17:21

  Quote from Space Pirate Nithiel;1220832:

  Doesn't Philips make VCRs?

  
  
  well they made this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philips_CD-i
• Yoorah wrote on 2014-05-19 17:22
  Good to see this; I hope Phillips wins. They did try to get things resolved peacefully since 2011, so yeah. Assuming of course that Phillips' patents are valid, unlike the ones Apple has been using to cause trouble. Given that Phillips has been a massive electronics R&D company for many years, I'd give em the benefit of the doubt at this point.
  
  Besides, the Wii U is a crappy console. They'd be doing Nintendo a favour. :P
• Yoorah wrote on 2014-05-19 17:22
  Good to see this; I hope Phillips wins. They did try to get things resolved peacefully since 2011, so yeah. Assuming of course that Phillips' patents are valid, unlike the ones Apple has been using to cause trouble. Given that Phillips has been a massive electronics R&D company for many years, I'd give em the benefit of the doubt at this point.
  
  Besides, the Wii U is a crappy console. They'd be doing Nintendo a favour. :P
• Taycat wrote on 2014-05-19 17:23

  Quote from Yoorah;1220881:

  Good to see this; I hope Phillips wins. They did try to get things resolved peacefully since 2011, so yeah. Assuming of course that Phillips' patents are valid, unlike the ones Apple has been using to cause trouble. Given that Phillips has been a massive electronics R&D company for many years, I'd give em the benefit of the doubt at this point.
  
  Besides, the Wii U is a crappy console. They'd be doing Nintendo a favour. :P

  
  
  thing is nintendo has been doing electronics for years as well, so saying philips has is a moot point
  and the wii u is wonderful, you shut your mouth
• Yoorah wrote on 2014-05-19 19:33
  It's kind of amazing how little some people know about the world around them. Comparing Philips' and Nintendo's electronics R&D contributions to the technologies we have today is beyond silly. Philips has been developing next gen technologies since the 1940s and has been one of the top R&D firms in the field since. They're the ones working behind the scenes to develop components that other manufacturers (such as Nintendo) can then integrate into products (toys in this case), though they also do this themselves in several fields.
  
  As for the Wii U? It's a failure both in terms of technological capabilities relative to its rivals, as well as in terms of business:
  Nintendo Lost $457M During Fiscal 2013, Marking Third Straight Year of Losses
  

  The Wii U continues to disappoint
  
  It looks as though Nintendo just can’t catch a break this decade, having just reported its third straight full year of losses. For fiscal 2013, Nintendo had an operating loss of $457 million and net loss of $228 million as sales of its Wii U continue to sputter in the marketplace.
  
  Even more disappointing is that the operating loss figure is actually worse than the already reduced forecast that Nintendo gave back in January. At the time, Nintendo forecast fiscal year operating losses of $394 million.

  
  ...this is despite the 3DS being a great success for Nintendo, so that gives you a clear picture of just how bad the Wii U has been. If Philips could have prevented Nintendo from bothering with the Wii U in the first place, Nintendo would be much better off now. :)
• Ashikoki wrote on 2014-05-19 20:27
  Philips hasn't really been doing much lately outside of making some nice toothbrushes though, so their credence in the past really isn't relevant today... let alone in a separate genre of electronics that they haven't mingled in.
  
  The 3DS was a massive flop for the first year and half of release. It really wasn't until more games were released that the console started to really flourish. Mario Kart 7 and Pokemon pretty much saved it.
  
  The Wii U doesn't have a very good lineup of titles right now. I would imagine that Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros Wii U will probably move a lot of sales. When you have a look at the historic sales data of Nintendo's games, it is pretty obvious that the Wii U just needs another year.
  
  As for the patents themselves, they're somewhat moot in my opinion. Both of the other two consoles are in violation of said patent, so I'm not sure why Nintendo is being picked off in particular. This also applies to the Wii, which is 8 years old. Why now?
  
  The patent and lawsuit itself is actually quite ludicrous (as is with most patents). I'm honestly surprised that they managed to patent "interactivity through pointed device". That pretty much defines most home remote controls, does it not? It probably won't fly well in court. I'm not sure what Philips is so salty about.
• Taycat wrote on 2014-05-19 20:34

  Quote from Ashikoki;1220905:

  I'm not sure what Philips is so salty about.

  
  
  probably cuz they only make toothbrushes like you said, lol
• Taycat wrote on 2014-05-19 20:34

  Quote from Ashikoki;1220905:

  I'm not sure what Philips is so salty about.

  
  
  probably cuz they only make toothbrushes like you said, lol
• Yoorah wrote on 2014-05-19 21:48

  Quote from Ashikoki;1220905:

  Philips hasn't really been doing much lately outside of making some nice toothbrushes though, so their credence in the past really isn't relevant today... let alone in a separate genre of electronics that they haven't mingled in.
  
  The 3DS was a massive flop for the first year and half of release. It really wasn't until more games were released that the console started to really flourish. Mario Kart 7 and Pokemon pretty much saved it.
  
  The Wii U doesn't have a very good lineup of titles right now. I would imagine that Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros Wii U will probably move a lot of sales. When you have a look at the historic sales data of Nintendo's games, it is pretty obvious that the Wii U just needs another year.
  
  As for the patents themselves, they're somewhat moot in my opinion. Both of the other two consoles are in violation of said patent, so I'm not sure why Nintendo is being picked off in particular. This also applies to the Wii, which is 8 years old. Why now?
  
  The patent and lawsuit itself is actually quite ludicrous (as is with most patents). I'm honestly surprised that they managed to patent "interactivity through pointed device". That pretty much defines most home remote controls, does it not? It probably won't fly well in court. I'm not sure what Philips is so salty about.

  
  
  Philips still is very much so on top of their game when it comes to R&D. Toothbrushes? They build MRI scanners.
  
  Have you considered that perhaps Sony and Microsoft have licensed the technology from Philips, while Nintendo refused to do so? Or perhaps they had some other form of agreement. I too am curious why they haven't gone after the original Wii, though it ultimately doesn't matter either way. What matters is that they've been trying to come to an agreement since 2011. One can hope that negotiations were done in good faith before things got to this point.
  
  And don't judge the patent by its headline--that's just plain silly. If you look into the patent itself, you'll see that it doesn't cover anything close to a TV remote--it has to do with device motion tracking and it does go into some technical detail.
• Yoorah wrote on 2014-05-19 21:49

  Quote from Ashikoki;1220905:

  Philips hasn't really been doing much lately outside of making some nice toothbrushes though, so their credence in the past really isn't relevant today... let alone in a separate genre of electronics that they haven't mingled in.
  
  The 3DS was a massive flop for the first year and half of release. It really wasn't until more games were released that the console started to really flourish. Mario Kart 7 and Pokemon pretty much saved it.
  
  The Wii U doesn't have a very good lineup of titles right now. I would imagine that Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros Wii U will probably move a lot of sales. When you have a look at the historic sales data of Nintendo's games, it is pretty obvious that the Wii U just needs another year.
  
  As for the patents themselves, they're somewhat moot in my opinion. Both of the other two consoles are in violation of said patent, so I'm not sure why Nintendo is being picked off in particular. This also applies to the Wii, which is 8 years old. Why now?
  
  The patent and lawsuit itself is actually quite ludicrous (as is with most patents). I'm honestly surprised that they managed to patent "interactivity through pointed device". That pretty much defines most home remote controls, does it not? It probably won't fly well in court. I'm not sure what Philips is so salty about.

  
  
  Philips still is very much so on top of their game when it comes to R&D. Toothbrushes? They build MRI scanners.
  
  Have you considered that perhaps Sony and Microsoft have licensed the technology from Philips, while Nintendo refused to do so? Or perhaps they had some other form of agreement. I too am curious why they haven't gone after the original Wii, though it ultimately doesn't matter either way. What matters is that they've been trying to come to an agreement since 2011. One can hope that negotiations were done in good faith before things got to this point.
  
  And don't judge the patent by its headline--that's just plain silly. If you look into the patent itself, you'll see that it doesn't cover anything close to a TV remote--it has to do with device tracking and it does go into some technical detail.
• Ashikoki wrote on 2014-05-19 23:19
  Motion tracking is becoming very prevalent in the consumer market as well lately. Oculus Rift, SteamVR, Sony's HMZ-T3Q comes to mind. Smartphones could also be applied in to this. Whether the patent is legitimate or not, I'm just extra sour since I really hate patents in general. They were designed to protect people from having their products stolen, but nowadays it's completely abused and seriously limits competitors from furthering innovation and improving existing technologies. They shouldn't last as long as they do.
  
  And leave Wii U alone! I like it a lot. I haven't had this much fun on a console since the 90's.
  
  

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• Froglord of DESTINY!!! wrote on 2014-05-20 02:23
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  On a seriouse note, if Philips succeeds and the ban goes through, Nintendo will lose their North American Consumer base, which they need for a majority of their profits. Productions for upcoming titles, such as the new Legend of Zelda, super smash bro's, and other games will cease to exist, and all production costs will become wasted, putting Nintendo into a deeper hole.
• Yoorah wrote on 2014-05-20 02:49
  The patent system certainly needs improvement, with a higher priority put on the elimination of bogus patents. Other aspects are debatable. Regardless, until that happens, companies have to play within the current system, where patents are valuable intellectual property that was produced at a cost.
  
  Google paid a lot of money for Motorola primarily to get access to their patent portfolio. Philips Research proudly states that they file at least one patent per scientist per year. At IBM, there was an elite internship program where they were aiming to get interns to develop an idea into a real product/solution, which could be patented.