Giant Weapon Reccomendation

• Cryosite wrote on 2010-08-28 19:41

  Quote from Kaeporo;139299:

  That's news to me.
  
  1. Maximum melee and ranged balance is 80%. What you're saying is that critical hits always deal maximum damage?
  2. Does this also apply to skill balance? Example: Ice Spear deals 200-300 base damage. Are you saying that critical Ice Spear always deals 1950 base damage? This would be useful for Crash Shot which has several different skill multipliers.

  
  
  No. The damage forumula works like this. (Max-Min*B)+Min+(R*Max*C)
  B=Balance, R=your crit % C = your critical hit skill damage multiplier.
  
  In the above example of a 0-100, 0% balance weapon You'd get the following damage: For non crits, half of the time the damage would range somewhere between 0-100, and half the time it would be 0-0 (min 1 damage, also strength and enchants not counted, so unrealistic but not impossible to reproduce)creating an average base damage of 25. 30% of the time, a crit will land. This crit will add 150% of Max (150% of 100= 150 conveniently enough). So a crit will half the time be 150+[0-100], and half the time 150+[0-0]. or 175 damage on average. Since crits only happen 30% of the time, you can multiple the extra damage from crit by 30% (150*0.3= 45). So the average damage of a 0-100, 0% balance, 30% crit weapon would be (25+45) 70.
  
  Spells and other skills with set damage work the same way, using the min-max of the skill, and whatever balance and crit apply to them. In the case of IS, magical balance (from sources listed in wiki including mostly INT) and crit (also from specific sources as per wiki). Crash Shot, as you've pointed out numerous times, uses three damage calculations. We'll have to see if each can crit, but probably.
• Juno wrote on 2010-08-28 23:37
  Scrap the giant and make a human, you'll be doing yourself a favor.
  
  You don't have much to gain from dishing out slightly more damage than a human by fighting with similar equips but everything to lose in the ranged department. If you're not going to bother with the giant exclusive weapons then don't put yourself through the pain of not having a decent ranged option.
  
  That being said, nothing wrong with dual iron maces or shield + w/e (I prefer Vales Great Sword myself), but it's when you're using knuckles and the infamous Battle Hammer that you really start to shine.
• Mario wrote on 2010-08-29 00:17
  My giant use
  
  Vales sword + Vales shield
  Iron Maces
  
  I don't train my giant.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-08-29 09:05

  Quote from Cryosite;139406:

  No. The damage forumula works like this. (Max-Min*B)+Min+(R*Max*C)
  B=Balance, R=your crit % C = your critical hit skill damage multiplier.
  
  In the above example of a 0-100, 0% balance weapon You'd get the following damage: For non crits, half of the time the damage would range somewhere between 0-100, and half the time it would be 0-0 (min 1 damage, also strength and enchants not counted, so unrealistic but not impossible to reproduce)creating an average base damage of 25. 30% of the time, a crit will land. This crit will add 150% of Max (150% of 100= 150 conveniently enough). So a crit will half the time be 150+[0-100], and half the time 150+[0-0]. or 175 damage on average. Since crits only happen 30% of the time, you can multiple the extra damage from crit by 30% (150*0.3= 45). So the average damage of a 0-100, 0% balance, 30% crit weapon would be (25+45) 70.
  
  Spells and other skills with set damage work the same way, using the min-max of the skill, and whatever balance and crit apply to them. In the case of IS, magical balance (from sources listed in wiki including mostly INT) and crit (also from specific sources as per wiki). Crash Shot, as you've pointed out numerous times, uses three damage calculations. We'll have to see if each can crit, but probably.

  
  
  Oooh. I finally understand.
  
  I've seen people try to explain the critical formula before but they were largely unsuccessful. Your formula was intended to calculate average damage, not average critical damage. As an example, this following damage range would result in the following average critical damage and average damage;
  
  Damage range: 400-500
  Average base damage: 480
  
  (500-400 * 80%) + 400 + (500 x 1.5)
  
  1200 "Typical" average critical damage (This is what people would expect your average critical damage to equal. Calculated using average damage x2.5)
  1230 "Actual" average critical damage (Your formula minus the critical hit rate)
  
  (500-400 * 80%) + 400 + (0.3 X 500 X 1.5)
  
  705 "Actual" average damage (This includes the critical hit rate at 30%)
  
  However, that's only the base damage. If we were to consider something like Crash Shot at r1, we would have the following damage ranges.
  
  Initial Damage: 100% (Static)
  Splash Damage: 150-250% (Rank dependent)
  Implosion Damage: 540-900% (Splash damage x splash target count x 0.6) This is assuming that you're hitting six targets.
  
  Average critical splash damage multiplier: 605%
  (250-150 x 0.8) + 150 + (250 x 1.5)
  
  Average splash damage multiplier: 340%
  (250-150 x 0.8) + 150 + (0.3 x 250 x 1.5)
  
  Average critical implosion damage multiplier: 2180%
  (900-540 x 0.8) + 540 + (900 x 1.5)
  
  Average implosion damage multiplier: 1200%
  (900-540 x 0.8) + 540 + (0.3 x 900 x 1.5)
  
  ...at which point you multiply the average base damage (480) and average critical implosion multiplier (21.8) to obtain the average critical implosion damage. Hypothetically speaking, it would be around 10500 critical damage. That's fairly close to the average damage (480) multiplied by the maximum implosion multiplier (9) times the "typical" critical multiplier (2.5)
  
  Interesting.