First Major Update Coming to Starcraft II Next Month: Patch 1.1

• Komachi wrote on 2010-08-31 03:59

  Quote from Margatroid;141926:

  You'd have to have an overwhelming advantage though. A well played defense is usually impenetrable unless you overwhelm them by a LOT more or use some sort of cast unit.
  
  In which case you're playing people way worse than you and should stop picking on the newbies.

  
  
  I have enough experience to know when a defence is too solid to break. Even then I have ways to weaken it. Also i can help it if my AT placement matches puts me against lower level people.
• Culex wrote on 2010-08-31 05:27
  Hey hey there, Yandere.
  
  I've played several games with Komachi/Yandere. He knows his SC2 well enough to know when he can take a front. You guys should put up your sc2 character codes and play with us.
  
  As for the changes, terrans will still be ok.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2010-08-31 05:39
  Of course terran are ok
  they got effing marauders that have slow down ability AND stim packs
  and their health/armor is ridiculous
• Cucurbita wrote on 2010-08-31 16:15

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;142029:

  Of course terran are ok
  they got effing marauders that have slow down ability AND stim packs
  and their health/armor is ridiculous

  
  
  Marauder Counters:
  
  Zerglings
  Marines
  Chargelots
  Sentries + Shield
  ANYTHING FLYING
  
  Mass Marauder only works if the enemy is going pure high tech ground units.
  And they're easily countered by the basic tier one units. They can't target flying units so if your opponent goes flying you just lost.
  
  Every unit has counters and this game is all about making sure you have the right ones.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-08-31 17:27

  Quote from Margatroid;142206:

  Marauder Counters:
  
  Zerglings
  Marines
  Chargelots
  Sentries + Shield
  ANYTHING FLYING
  
  Mass Marauder only works if the enemy is going pure high tech ground units.
  And they're easily countered by the basic tier one units. They can't target flying units so if your opponent goes flying you just lost.
  
  Every unit has counters and this game is all about making sure you have the right ones.

  
  
  It will take a whole lot of zerglings and marines to take on a decent ball of marauders backed by medivacs. Even worse if Marauders are with marines and seige tanks.
  
  Strange that you didn't mention Immortal, which can take it out in like 3 shots. Of course, Immortals have to have some other stuff to tank for it, usually stalkers and/or zealots.
  
  The problem with marauders isn't because of lack of counter, but they are a very good unit that can come up early and cheap. (Especially versus Protoss)
• Kyouriharu wrote on 2010-08-31 17:58
  Lol barely anything from the Zerg. I always go Broodlord heavy when the enemy is defense heavy anyways. The zealot build time is a godsend for me. I always have to throw away Zerglings trying to fend off early Zealots. In the end, I need to change up my build because I'm always prepared for the 2-Gate rush and a Reaper rush. However, early Banshees and Void Rays are always a problem.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2010-08-31 19:10

  Quote from Kyouriharu;142283:

  Lol barely anything from the Zerg. I always go Broodlord heavy when the enemy is defense heavy anyways. The zealot build time is a godsend for me. I always have to throw away Zerglings trying to fend off early Zealots. In the end, I need to change up my build because I'm always prepared for the 2-Gate rush and a Reaper rush. However, early Banshees and Void Rays are always a problem.

  
  
  Almost every map starts you off with high terrain with a chock point. Plug the entrance with a few zerglings, and hold the cliffs with Spine Crawlers. For 100 minerals they're really worth what they give. Since you can move them, you're not wasting minerals when you expand.
  
  Queens are also very nice. Their transfusion can help the spine crawlers if they break through too much.
  
  Honestly I haven't seen anyone get broodlords put to good use in multiplayer. They get owned hardcore by anti air.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2010-08-31 22:47

  Quote from Margatroid;142206:

  Marauder Counters:
  
  Zerglings
  Marines
  Chargelots
  Sentries + Shield
  ANYTHING FLYING
  
  Mass Marauder only works if the enemy is going pure high tech ground units.
  And they're easily countered by the basic tier one units. They can't target flying units so if your opponent goes flying you just lost.
  
  Every unit has counters and this game is all about making sure you have the right ones.

  
  
  > Implying that the cat did not know that you can mix units
  
  Marauders are meant to mix with other infantry
  particularly marines and medivacs.
  
  and you have siege tanks by then.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2010-09-01 03:25

  Quote from BobYoMeowMeow;142493:

  > Implying that the cat did not know that you can mix units
  
  Marauders are meant to mix with other infantry
  particularly marines and medivacs.
  
  and you have siege tanks by then.

  
  
  Personally this is how I do it.
  
  Vs Terran: Enemy goes standard
  Keep pushing Marauders/Marines while trying to sneak a few helions in the back door with vacs.
  
  Vs Terran: Enemy goes aerial
  Screw Marauders. Go aerial too.
  
  Vs Terran: Enemy picks Thors.
  Marauder spam with Banshee/Viking support.
  
  Vs Zerg: Standard
  Drop Marauder 2nd tier and go ghosts. Snipe is hilariously OP vs Zerg
  Though to be completely honest? I'd probably just 111build and viking harass all the overlords far before the enemy can tech to hydras or mutas while I turtle in my base with a few marines in bunkers.
  
  Vs Protoss: Chargelot
  Screw Marauders. Proxy Reapers. Win game.
  Not working? Switch those rax to start pumping ghosts. EMP is funny.
  
  Vs Protoss: Mass Stalkers
  Marauders I suppose.
  
  Vs Protoss: Protoss do other things?
  Thats unheard of.
  
  As awesome as marauders are, theres something about them that I don't like. I don't use them much.
  
  Its just funnier when you bring out 20 reapers, jump the ledge, and blow up a command center in 3 seconds, then jump back down before they get to expand.
• Discord wrote on 2010-09-01 03:36
  Wouldn't a protoss have adequate defenses by the time they get chargelots? Unless you mean proxy reapers before that.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2010-09-01 03:43

  Quote from Discord;142732:

  Wouldn't a protoss have adequate defenses by the time they get chargelots? Unless you mean proxy reapers before that.

  
  
  8rax reapers build will probably bring out the first reaper before the first zealot comes out.
  Even if a zealot comes out, reapers can outrun zealots. By the time the 2nd zealot comes out, your speed upgrade should be done, and you can easily kite all zealots and probes.
  
  Basically, as long you as you don't let up and give him a chance to build a photon cannon right in the center of the mineral line, you can't lose. And since you're constantly harassing so early game, they probably won't have a chance to tech to stalkers.
  
  Since reaper bombs deal 30 damage to buildings, you can probably take out a photon cannon pretty darn fast too. Its only got 100/100.
• Kyouriharu wrote on 2010-09-01 03:52

  Quote from Margatroid;142320:

  Honestly I haven't seen anyone get broodlords put to good use in multiplayer. They get owned hardcore by anti air.

  
  The only time I go Broodlords is when I have the enemy contained but I can't punch through or drop a Nydus. That range just pummels any defensive structure where Banelings can't do their job.
  
  But yeah, lately I've been building Spine Crawlers once I scout an early Zealot or Reaper. Now with the patch coming, it seems like they can out poke Siege Tanks as defense for their cost.