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ugonna100 wrote on 2014-07-17 11:56
Hiya! As title says, Im thinking of resetting my alchemy skills and going archery on my basically warrier based character.
Just wondering whether its still strong, since I haven't seen many archers. Also wondering whats the super important skills I'd rank up first as it seems archery doesn't have too many skills to rank up
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Fracture wrote on 2014-07-17 12:30
Still strong? Yes.
Primary skills? Not counting anything but combat skills, the first things you'll want to max will be Ranged Attack, Magnum Shot, Arrow Revolver, likely in that order. Rank Bow Mastery as it becomes possible.
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ironwoman wrote on 2014-07-17 14:22
If you're looking for early game damage and utility, you won't find it.
Archery is great, but it's probably better for you to just finish a class you were already working on.
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azureknuckle wrote on 2014-07-17 14:27
Try to get r1 Refine before you pile up your dex
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Fracture wrote on 2014-07-17 14:58
Quote from ironwoman;1232773:
If you're looking for early game damage and utility, you won't find it.
Archery is great, but it's probably better for you to just finish a class you were already working on.
Absolutely this. Archery really does
not shine in the early-game. You will be weak and slow and get your ass handed to you a lot.
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Krissyasaur wrote on 2014-07-17 15:09
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Absolutely this. Archery really does not shine in the early-game. You will be weak and slow and get your ass handed to you a lot.
You'll still be slow late game too because lolwhatisaiming%.
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ugonna100 wrote on 2014-07-17 15:11
I've already maxed melee and refining, im not really early game anymore either since I've been playing for a while.
I've maxed out puppetry too I think, and my pally and demigod is ranked up but I never touched archery haha.
Just got one of the gacha highlander bows now, you're saying archery isn't good end game either?
...also I really want to do rafting for once T_T
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Fracture wrote on 2014-07-17 15:23
Archery is good late-game, Krissy just aims bad I guess. Using a bow with decent range you aim very fast as long as you don't stay too far away.
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ironwoman wrote on 2014-07-17 20:10
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I've already maxed melee and refining, im not really early game anymore either since I've been playing for a while.
I've maxed out puppetry too I think, and my pally and demigod is ranked up but I never touched archery haha.
Just got one of the gacha highlander bows now, you're saying archery isn't good end game either?
...also I really want to do rafting for once T_T
Don't listen to Krissy.
Those are people that still have yet to learn timing for range.
I have a 9 piercing lance and all that jazz, so why the hell would I use range? Because it's great, period. Anyone who says range is bad is a dumbass, no offense. In fact, with bhafel combo and what not, range is one of the skillsets that scale the hardest, especially for Elves.
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ugonna100 wrote on 2014-07-18 17:06
Lets not turn this into anything bad :(.
So what else do I need? like life skills or enchants. I've got R9 ranged attack currently and I do poop for damage. so I can see it needs its skill ranks
I'm also currently using the Snowfall Skilled Highlander bow from the gacha, no reforges though.
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ironwoman wrote on 2014-07-18 17:16
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Lets not turn this into anything bad :(.
So what else do I need? like life skills or enchants. I've got R9 ranged attack currently and I do poop for damage. so I can see it needs its skill ranks
Even with all rank 1 range skills, you won't see yourself doing tons of damage.
You need more, like life skills, puppet, extra dex skills here and there, etc. You can search the wiki yourself.
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Kelvas wrote on 2014-07-18 19:04
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Quote from ugonna100;1233010:
Lets not turn this into anything bad :(.
So what else do I need? like life skills or enchants. I've got R9 ranged attack currently and I do poop for damage. so I can see it needs its skill ranks
I'm also currently using the Snowfall Skilled Highlander bow from the gacha, no reforges though.
If you're not using a thames set, go grab yourself a bohemian set. (Not that you should be using heavy armor while using range anyhow.) It's not that pricey compared to the other sets, support shot is useless, and so only magnum shot will be necessary.
From what I understand, you have a solid melee base, so therefore, using a bohemian set shouldn't really hinder your survivabilty if you have enough base def.
The first life skill you should work on is refine. After that, you can work on other life skills such as, but not limited to, handicraft, weaving, tailoring, and sheep shearing.
Also, if you have not done so already, get arrow revolver. Gives a decent amount of dex along with some str. As for enchants, use max attack.
I also wrote some advice for a new elf archer, but some of it still holds true for human archery.
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Let's get right to it, shall we?
As an elf, you basically have two options as a primary talent early on.
1. Magic, and 2. Ranged. From your post, I assume that you pick ranged. If you have some money, go pick up a BDK's bow. I'll explain later.
But first thing's first, work on refine. You need to fail mythal (can't spell, sorry!) ores in order to rank up (r8 onwards I believe), so you'll need a low dex. Although, this isn't required, as you can just use things that penalize dex in the future (Heavy Armor, certian titles and enchants), but it may be easier to work on it now. You can gather ores in barri or buy them off another player, like what I did for my elf.
After you finish refine, you can now focus on combat. As I've mentioned earlier, a BDK(~3mil) is ideal, especially for early to mid game. I recommend a r1, which costs roughly 2 million more, but will save you a LOT of money in the long run. Making a r6 HLB is WAY too costly, especially if this is for an alt, not a main. I also highly doubt that you'll make full use of a r6 HLB, since you'll need 680 max damage for it to be a better than a BDK's bow.
Otherwise, if a DBK's bow is too pricey for an option, go grab a leather long bow(10k?) or a HLB (~250k? clean), which are both ideal due to the range that it provides. Usage of crossbow for elf ranged is, limited, to say the least, and I highly discourage it. You may need to rank it up much later for the sniper title though. If you do use a HLB, make sure it's prereforged r1 (costs more), as it will save you a TON of money later on.
Anyhow, you'll definitely need magnum shot at r1, since it's spammable as an elf. As far as I'm concerned, typical elf ranged combat goes a bit like this:
Crash shot > Magnum the rest. (+ Usage of Lullaby or pet for mob control)
Rank Magnum, Critical Hit, Ranged Attack, Bow Mastery, and Crash Shot.
I also recommend grabbing Final Shot, and Mirage Missile (up to r9?), despite their uselessness in actual combat, as they give dex.
While you are ranking these skills, I also recommend working on life skills on the side. (handicraft, weaving, tailoring, sleep shearing?, ect.)
Other useful skills include, but not limited to; r5 song, lullaby, and bfo.
As an elf archer, you will ABSOLUTELY NEED a bohemian set. The full set provides 15% bonus to magnum, and support shot. Support shot is useless, so you can save a bit of money by only acquiring the magnum bonus (10 points). It took me roughly ~400k to complete my set for magnum, so it's not that pricey. Although, using a set like this will make your elf super super squishy early on. And so, I would recommend using mana shield, or master of shields title early on. As for enchants, go for max attack.
As for training, general usage of the skillset is good enough. For Crash Shot, or Support Shot, use the "Their Method" SM for zombies that take 1's.
If I missed anything, feel free to ask or to add on. Also to the other players who read this, feel free to correct anything that I may be misinformed about.
EDIT: Oh ya, one more thing, and it regards windmill. It's somewhat useful for an elf ranged, but I rarely ever use it. As you have mentioned, some older guides recommended ranking windmill first. This is because, back in the day, the highest CP monster you had easy access to was TNN zombies. With SMs, you can control the overall CP of monsters with difficulties. As far as I can tell, elf range gives very little CP compared to the other talents. Even now, my elf only has a CP of ~1100, even at master archer and champion warrior.
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Vadar wrote on 2014-07-18 19:06
Just a small suggestion from an experienced archer, if you don't want to invest heavily into archery (getting CS range reforge on hat, CS damage on gloves and CS frag numbers on cloth / armor which might cost you 70m+, then a decent bow might cost you some more) or grind life skills to stack dex, I don't really recommend getting into archery. It takes around 4k ap to cap dex and it takes reforge for it to be good. Even when you do decent damage, you dps could suffer from ridiculous chance of missing.
Instead, make a s6 savage firewand with cast speed reforge (should roughly cost you 10~15m depends on your luck) which you can use it to spam fire bolt or chain blaze with puppeteer. It takes about 1.5k ap for you to out damage most classes in the game. Usually when other people are still loading skills, my fire bolt had already cleared the mobs. Consider it as faster but slightly weaker mag shot that never misses.
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imagine95 wrote on 2014-07-18 20:34
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Just a small suggestion from an experienced archer, if you don't want to invest heavily into archery (getting CS range reforge on hat, CS damage on gloves and CS frag numbers on cloth / armor which might cost you 70m+, then a decent bow might cost you some more) or grind life skills to stack dex, I don't really recommend getting into archery. It takes around 4k ap to cap dex and it takes reforge for it to be good. Even when you do decent damage, you dps could suffer from ridiculous chance of missing.
Instead, make a s6 savage firewand with cast speed reforge (should roughly cost you 10~15m depends on your luck) which you can use it to spam fire bolt or chain blaze with puppeteer. It takes about 1.5k ap for you to out damage most classes in the game. Usually when other people are still loading skills, my fire bolt had already cleared the mobs. Consider it as faster but slightly weaker mag shot that never misses.
Definitely agree with this. If you are just ranking archery to get the dex for your puppets, great, ranking order doesn't matter. However, if you are really serious about archery, then it is going to cost you a lot of gold, which could be converted into hundreds of real life money.
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Vadar wrote on 2014-07-18 21:06
I don't intend to boast my stats but just want to share my full perspectives on Archery. I was able to hit 1500 (with high levels and some good gear) dex without trans or catering. I have made ele 6 r6 bhafel hunter and huntress set which probably costs 150m in total since I bought the BD heart for 75m. I also made a fully reforged and enchanted bohemian set (CS range 17 on hat, CS damage 18 on gloves and CS number 5 on cloth). What I found out was that even with 50% bfo, my CS damage in NPC tourney only hits about 45~46k max with crits on the initial target and 15k or less on the splash targets. This is for the first round. The damage decrease drastically as it progresses to later rounds and if I miss, I am pretty much screwed.
However, I've invested in a blaze set recently which only cost me about 40m top including the s6 wand with reforge and reforged lv20 blaze damage gloves (bought a r1 gloves for 5m and got lucky). I found that my damage has stabilized to around 40k non crit and 120k~130k crit on the first round. Note that I am not capped Int yet but did have 1500 int due to catering.
This made me question my spending and investment into my archer set which costs 210m in total.
I am only posting this in hopes of helping you understand where archer's limit is and its cost if you want to fully pursue the road of archer.
You can PM me personally in game to verify if what I said is true. (If you are on Alexina)