Fractal Well dyes can no longer be synthesized.

• Bunny wrote on 2014-09-11 22:30

  Quote from Armi;1246672:

  ermahgerd they took our dyes. You're seriously QQing over this? Go support the game by buying a dye amp from shop and pray to RNGesus for your 1/5 dye colour chance like everyone else who isn't using exploits.

  
  
  [FONT="Arial"]Dye wells are a good source of gold. That's what everyone is "QQing" over, since you didn't seem to get the memo.
  
  And it is definitely not an exploit. If it was, synthesizing dyes would have been taken out completely earlier.
  
  If you even bothered to read the thread, I already pointed out that people were abusing synth for perma doki doki wings in JP. [/FONT]
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2014-09-11 22:34

  Quote from Armi;1246672:

  ermahgerd they took our dyes. You're seriously QQing over this? Go support the game by buying a dye amp from shop and pray to RNGesus for your 1/5 dye colour chance like everyone else who isn't using exploits.

  
  
  >armanent talking shit about other people using exploits
  
  

  [Image: https://warosu.org/data/fa/img/0063/39/1371364070645.jpg]

  
  
  Also there was an exploit involved but it wasn't dyes - it was Doki Doki Wings.
  
  Notice that timed dye synthing works just fine in Korea.
  
  http://puu.sh/bvdIR/e8f5fdc5cf.jpg
• Kelvas wrote on 2014-09-11 22:38
  [UB]Yeah. Everything that has happened so far suggests that this was just a mistake on Nexon's part.
  
  1. If synthesizing well dyes was an exploit, why has Nexon allowed it to happen for so long? There's no way they could have overlooked the dominance of dye well based economy.
  2. Sabina stated that they were looking into it. This suggests that it was a mistake. Otherwise, she would have just told us that it was an exploit.
  3. The intent of this "update" was to prevent perm wings from being synthesized from doki doki island, and nothing about dyes.[/UB]
• Invisible wrote on 2014-09-12 00:36

  Quote from Kelvas;1246682:

  [UB]Yeah. Everything that has happened so far suggests that this was just a mistake on Nexon's part.
  
  1. If synthesizing well dyes was an exploit, why has Nexon allowed it to happen for so long? There's no way they could have overlooked the dominance of dye well based economy.
  2. Sabina stated that they were looking into it. This suggests that it was a mistake. Otherwise, she would have just told us that it was an exploit.
  3. The intent of this "update" was to prevent perm wings from being synthesized from doki doki island, and nothing about dyes.[/UB]

  
  
  1. That doesn't really hold water. There are glitches from G1 still; such as negative stamina glitch.
  2. Sabina is only a Community Manager. She doesn't have any part in programming or anything.
  3. The source on that isn't really reliable. "My friend told me it was to fix wings" isn't a statement from Nexon detailing their intentions. You can't even make items released after G11 using Synthesis.
• Rydian wrote on 2014-09-12 00:50

  Quote from Invisible;1246707:

  1. That doesn't really hold water. There are glitches from G1 still; such as negative stamina glitch.

  Dye synthing is a fixed recipe.
• Invisible wrote on 2014-09-12 01:50

  Quote from Rydian;1246708:

  Dye synthing is a fixed recipe.

  
  
  Dye synthing has been around for a long time. It was never really used because you could only get fixed dyes from gach and NX rebirthing. The issue at hand is being able to use expiring dyes to make dyes that do not expire; that expiring dyes were never supposed to be able to enter the ovens in the first place.
• Code2008 wrote on 2014-09-12 02:19
  My god, just slap a 3 day timer on the new synthesized dyes when using timered dyes. Problem solved.
• Rydian wrote on 2014-09-12 03:04

  Quote from Invisible;1246714:

  Dye synthing has been around for a long time. It was never really used because you could only get fixed dyes from gach and NX rebirthing.

  Yup, only those.
  
  Oh wait and events too. Lots of events gave fixed dyes, often from different picks.
  
  Oh and as a reward from Lorna for saga coupons, which are repeatable... I did that for dyes for a while, can't forget about that source.
  
  Oh right, and as a random item from the special gift box from maids, butlers, and commerce partners... my maid tends to give me blues and purples.
  
  etc. :P
  
  

  Quote from Invisible;1246714:

  The issue at hand is being able to use expiring dyes to make dyes that do not expire; that expiring dyes were never supposed to be able to enter the ovens in the first place.

  If an item had already expired you couldn't put them in the synth interface, you could only put them in if they were still usable. This is not just dyes, this is how the system worked for items with a timer in general.
  
  

  Quote from Code2008;1246718:

  My god, just slap a 3 day timer on the new synthesized dyes when using timered dyes. Problem solved.

  Make it a week to match the input dyes and this wouldn't be too bad.
• Mystickskye wrote on 2014-09-12 05:04

  Quote from Invisible;1246714:

  that expiring dyes were never supposed to be able to enter the ovens in the first place.

  Citation?
• Zekkii wrote on 2014-09-12 06:08
  I think most of us realized that synthesizing the worthless timed flashy dyes into pretty much any given number of fixed coloured dyes was an exploit, but regardless there was nothing to prevent or discourage this so it's only logical to assume Nexon simply didn't care or allowed it.
  
  However now that it's been fixed one could either argue that people aren't getting what they paid for, or that it's something that simply shouldn't have existed in the first place and those who have used it to profit daily got off lightly. Either way, I'm sure anyone who used the dye wells to synth dyes this entire time has made a large multiple of their investment back with little effort. Whether Nexon re-enables synthesis for the dyes or keeps it the way it is, is most likely based on if they consider it an exploit or an oversight/ascended glitch.
  
  As for my personal preference, I think it would benefit everyone if they fixed the glitch and then re-introduced the wells for newer players to buy.
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2014-09-12 08:51

  I think most of us realized that synthesizing the worthless timed flashy dyes into pretty much any given number of fixed coloured dyes was an exploit, but regardless there was nothing to prevent or discourage this so it's only logical to assume Nexon simply didn't care or allowed it.

  
  
  I'm curious - why are we assuming that Nexon didn't have dye synthing as intended behavior? They were aware of it on an official level afaik, I think Dealer even referred to it a few times. It might seem like an exploit because it was so easy (but at the same time, it's one of the few things in the Mabinogi economy that isn't either inflationary or involves attempting to screw over another party) but the ability to synth timed items has existed for a while after the wells came out. If this was something Nexon didn't want to happen, why did it take this long?[COLOR="Silver"]
• Invisible wrote on 2014-09-12 09:00

  Quote from Mystickskye;1246743:

  Citation?

  
  
  http://mabinogi.nexon.co.jp/support/fixboardContent.asp?st=&se=&ix=157&p=
• Snowie Stormflower wrote on 2014-09-12 09:20

  Quote from Invisible;1246769:

  http://mabinogi.nexon.co.jp/support/fixboardContent.asp?st=&se=&ix=157&p=

  
  
  Maybe someone should write an understandable translation of that because...
  
  

  Quote from Google Translate:

  I did the corrected in maintenance of (Thursday) August 7, 2014.
  
  Apologize that we apologize for any inconvenience to everyone.
  
  It has confirmed the problem that can be used as a synthetic material items that expiration date.
  
  ※ Please be careful not to place the synthesized using the items that expiration date.
  
  We are currently investigating.
  
  We apologize for the inconvenience, please wait for a while until the corresponding completion.

  
  
  Google doesn't make much sense out of it.
• Snowie Stormflower wrote on 2014-09-12 09:20

  Quote from Invisible;1246769:

  http://mabinogi.nexon.co.jp/support/fixboardContent.asp?st=&se=&ix=157&p=

  
  
  Maybe someone should write an understandable translation of that because...
  
  

  Quote from Google Translate:

  I did the corrected in maintenance of (Thursday) August 7, 2014.
  
  Apologize that we apologize for any inconvenience to everyone.
  
  It has confirmed the problem that can be used as a synthetic material items that expiration date.
  
  ※ Please be careful not to place the synthesized using the items that expiration date.
  
  We are currently investigating.
  
  We apologize for the inconvenience, please wait for a while until the corresponding completion.

  
  
  Google doesn't make much sense out of it.
  Only the 3rd line makes a little bit of sense, I guess.
• Mystickskye wrote on 2014-09-12 10:17

  Quote from Invisible;1246769:

  http://mabinogi.nexon.co.jp/support/fixboardContent.asp?st=&se=&ix=157&p=

  A bit of a stretch.