Weapon speed differences

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lack wrote on 2014-10-05 09:37

How much faster does a fast bow(2000 range) aim than a normal bow(2000 range)? Planning to go rapid fire build with chinese(elf) so i have to choose between dkb or wing bow.
Kaeporo wrote on 2014-10-05 10:28

Quote from lack;1249945:
How much faster does a fast bow(2000 range) aim than a normal bow(2000 range)? Planning to go rapid fire build with chinese(elf) so i have to choose between dkb or wing bow.

Aim speed is proportional to the maximum range of your weapon versus the distance to your target. Attack speed does not influence your aim speed.

Note that crossbows have a hidden +25% aim speed bonus to light ranged skills.

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[CODE] var aPos = Attacker.GetPosition();
var tPos = Target.GetPosition();

var distance = Math.Sqrt((Math.Pow(((float)aPos.X - (float)tPos.X), 2) + Math.Pow(((float)aPos.Y - (float)tPos.Y), 2)));

var aimTime = (DateTime.Now - Attacker.Temp.AimStart).TotalMilliseconds;
var aimRate = Math.Min(320 / distance, 1);
var aimPercent = Math.Min(aimTime * aimRate * aimBoost / 10 + aimInitial, 99);
var overTime = aimTime - (990 / (aimRate * aimBoost)); // Time after 99%

if (aimPercent == 99 && overTime > 1000)
aimPercent = 100;

if (Target.IsMoving)
{
if (Target.IsWalking && aimPercent > 95)
aimPercent = 95;
else if (!Target.IsWalking && aimPercent > 90)
aimPercent = 90;
}[/CODE]
lack wrote on 2014-10-05 11:38

Strange, the wiki states otherwise. But what's the point of a weapons' speed then?
Kaeporo wrote on 2014-10-05 13:33

Quote from lack;1249952:
Strange, the wiki states otherwise. But what's the point of a weapons' speed then?

Concerning archery? Stun duration on impact (slow having the most stun) and firing rate with skills like ranged attack and arrow revolver (fast holding the quickest refire speed).
ironwoman wrote on 2014-10-05 17:51

Also, attack speed is crucial when pulling out DPS with guns.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-10-05 18:21

Quote from Kaeporo;1249951:
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Where'd you get that chart from? Why does wiki say Ranged Attack aiming speed doesn't affect support shot?
lack wrote on 2014-10-05 18:24

Quote from Kaeporo;1249962:
Concerning archery? Stun duration on impact (slow having the most stun) and firing rate with skills like ranged attack and arrow revolver (fast holding the quickest refire speed).

Thank you and if you could tell me how much faster a fast bow can load ranged attack than a normal bow, that would be awesome.
ironwoman wrote on 2014-10-05 19:01

Quote from Darkboy132;1249981:
Where'd you get that chart from? Why does wiki say Ranged Attack aiming speed doesn't affect support shot?

The chart

Where does it say that Ranged Attack aiming speed doesn't affect support shot? If that is the case, that is bullshit and should be fixed.

You actually expected Wiki editors to be experts when it comes to combat related contents?
Darkboy132 wrote on 2014-10-05 19:45

Quote from ironwoman;1249984:
Where does it say that Ranged Attack aiming speed doesn't affect support shot? If that is the case, that is bullshit and should be fixed.

You actually expected Wiki editors to be experts when it comes to combat related contents?

Ranged Attack H and E pages.
ironwoman wrote on 2014-10-05 20:24

Changed it.

Stupidity of some wiki editors never cease to surprise me.

Quote from lack;1249982:
Thank you and if you could tell me how much faster a fast bow can load ranged attack than a normal bow, that would be awesome.

It's not much of a difference, only small margin of a second. With good enough connection, it attack speed doesn't matter on bows. The only two skills that matter significantly in range are magnum shot and crash shot, neither of which benefit from attack speed. If you're a human, you could make use of it with arrow revolver, but bohemian set's magnum shot bonus is much better investment.
Oberynn wrote on 2014-10-05 23:35

Quote from ironwoman;1249993:
It's not much of a difference, only small margin of a second. With good enough connection, it attack speed doesn't matter on bows. The only two skills that matter significantly in range are magnum shot and crash shot, neither of which benefit from attack speed. If you're a human, you could make use of it with arrow revolver, but bohemian set's magnum shot bonus is much better investment.

Actually, that only used to be the case in the past. Dynamic combat system made attack speed difference actually matter on bows (skills included), and the better your connection the more apparent it is.

The reason you don't notice is probably because the difference between small and normal is almost non-existent, while the difference between normal and slow is HUGE. But no one ever uses slow bows, so no one does the comparison.

Of course, I'm assuming you're talking about the actual attack speed attribute and not the set effect, which is in fact useless to mag/crash.
ironwoman wrote on 2014-10-06 00:37

Quote from Oberynn;1249997:
Actually, that only used to be the case in the past. Dynamic combat system made attack speed difference actually matter on bows (skills included), and the better your connection the more apparent it is.

The reason you don't notice is probably because the difference between small and normal is almost non-existent, while the difference between normal and slow is HUGE. But no one ever uses slow bows, so no one does the comparison.

Of course, I'm assuming you're talking about the actual attack speed attribute and not the set effect, which is in fact useless to mag/crash.

Correct, I was talking about the set effect. I'm aware the weapon's attack speed does matter when it comes to skills.

But like you said, there's basically no difference between fast and normal. For example, you're not gonna recommend wing bow as opposed to HLB, because we know HLB is simply much superior. The weapon attack speed there won't affect the DPS. I also didn't talk about the slow bows, simply because no one uses them. The slow bow would be referring to long bow, LLB, and ELB.
Aubog007 wrote on 2014-10-06 03:02

Only thing that one would use a wing bow for would be AR, since the refire rate is faster.