The worst word of 2014

• mageisfun wrote on 2014-11-14 20:13
  I hate the word 'bae', every time I hear someone talk about their 'bae', I want to punch them in the throat.
  
  Feminists can be annoying, they just get so fired up, but some are fine, won't label them bad as a whole because some of them [S]tumblr[/S] ruined their image.
• Hanna wrote on 2014-11-14 22:00
  My problem with feminism is that the terrible ones speak the loudest, reach the farthest and become the face of their movement
• Kaon wrote on 2014-11-14 22:03

  Quote from Hanna;1254262:

  My problem with feminism is that the terrible ones speak the loudest, reach the farthest and become the face of their movement

  
  
  A large part of that is perception tho too.. yeah on some areas of the internet, they've maybe been loudest, but here is the only place I've seen them thought of as the 'face'.
  
  Still tho, it's the loudest people that take the most notice in anything, not just feminism. You'd think people would have figured out it's inaccurate to judge things like that at a glance.
• Yoorah wrote on 2014-11-15 04:31
  lol feminists
  
  ...also, I really hate the word 'bae'. Along with a lot of the mindless internet-slang there. :(
• Campylobacter jejuni wrote on 2014-11-15 04:36
  Wow, I only just now looked at the OP. If that doesn't make it clear that feminism has a reputation crisis, I don't know what does.
• Hanna wrote on 2014-11-15 04:42

  Quote from Kaon;1254264:

  A large part of that is perception tho too.. yeah on some areas of the internet, they've maybe been loudest, but here is the only place I've seen them thought of as the 'face'.
  
  Still tho, it's the loudest people that take the most notice in anything, not just feminism. You'd think people would have figured out it's inaccurate to judge things like that at a glance.

  
  
  A large chunk of the feminist movement is held up by false statistics and straight up lies (1 in 4 women become sexual assault victims, patriarchy myth, exaggerated wage gap, rape culture)
  
  And when they keep spewing this shit off to teenagers of course they feel like victims and join their cause. I mean shit Anita Sarkeesian is all over the place right now, she was on the Colbert Report the other night with her "video games cause misogyny" bullshit.
  
  A feminist I really respect is Christina Hoff Sommers
• Kaon wrote on 2014-11-15 05:28

  Quote from Hanna;1254308:

  A large chunk of the feminist movement is held up by false statistics and straight up lies (1 in 4 women become sexual assault victims, patriarchy myth, exaggerated wage gap, rape culture)
  
  And when they keep spewing this shit off to teenagers of course they feel like victims and join their cause. I mean shit Anita Sarkeesian is all over the place right now, she was on the Colbert Report the other night with her "video games cause misogyny" bullshit.
  
  A feminist I really respect is Christina Hoff Sommers

  
  
  I dunno, I've seen sourced statistics and otherwise for all of those things, if not just witnessed them myself. There's definitely a basis for each of those.
  
  It's dated (1998) but at a glance here's some cited stats for sexual assault: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/172837.pdf
  As researched by the department of justice.
  
  Here are stats on wage gaps:
  http://www.bls.gov/news.release/wkyeng.t01.htm
  From the department of labor, updated as of last month.
  
  Tell me these aren't real?
  Patriarchy and rape culture are the results of social analysis, but I'm not in the mood to debate on that atm. But these numbers are clear.
• Hanna wrote on 2014-11-15 06:02
  Okay so every time I change tabs to look at my sources it keeps refreshing the page and deleting everything of already typed so I'm going to try to keep it short
  
  The wage gap is the average salary of all women versus the salary of all men
  And make more on average than women because they tend to choose higher-paying jobs.
  http://www9.georgetown.edu/grad/gppi/hpi/cew/pdfs/whatsitworth-complete.pdf
  
  Highest paying
  
  1. Petroleum Engineering: 87% male
  2. Pharmacy Pharmaceutical Sciences and Administration: 48% male
  3. Mathematics and Computer Science: 67% male
  4. Aerospace Engineering: 88% male
  5. Chemical Engineering: 72% male
  6. Electrical Engineering: 89% male
  7. Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering: 97% male
  8. Mechanical Engineering: 90% male
  9. Metallurgical Engineering: 83% male
  10. Mining and Mineral Engineering: 90% male
  
  And here are the 10 least remunerative majors—where women prevail in nine out of ten:
  
  1. Counseling Psychology: 74% female
  2. Early Childhood Education: 97% female
  3. Theology and Religious Vocations: 34% female
  4. Human Services and Community Organization: 81% female
  5. Social Work: 88% female
  6. Drama and Theater Arts: 60% female
  7. Studio Arts: 66% female
  8. Communication Disorders Sciences and Services: 94% female
  9. Visual and Performing Arts: 77% female
  10. Health and Medical Preparatory Programs: 55% female
  
  Instead of propagating the idea that women make less for the exact same job as men which is totally bogus we should be encouraging women to pursue higher paying jobs and focusing on why they might not pursue these higher-paying jobs
  
  I don't feel like looking at the source for this because of all the page refreshes but I remember seeing somewhere where the most popular jobs for women tend to be secretaries cashiers and schoolteachers which doesn't pay very well
  
  "The one-in-five figure is based on the Campus Sexual Assault Study, commissioned by the National Institute of Justice and conducted from 2005 to 2007. Two prominent criminologists, Northeastern University’s James Alan Fox and Mount Holyoke College’s Richard Moran, have noted its weaknesses:
  
  “The estimated 19% sexual assault rate among college women is based on a survey at two large four-year universities, which might not accurately reflect our nation’s colleges overall. In addition, the survey had a large non-response rate, with the clear possibility that those who had been victimized were more apt to have completed the questionnaire, resulting in an inflated prevalence figure.”
  
  Fox and Moran also point out that the study used an overly broad definition of sexual assault. Respondents were counted as sexual assault victims if they had been subject to “attempted forced kissing” or engaged in intimate encounters while intoxicated.
  
  Defenders of the one-in-five figure will reply that the finding has been replicated by other studies. But these studies suffer from some or all of the same flaws. Campus sexual assault is a serious problem and will not be solved by statistical hijinks."
• Campylobacter jejuni wrote on 2014-11-15 06:12
  Okay, this is totally off topic in response to kaon's provided papers, which I believe needed to be addressed. Not a simple rebuttal.
  
  [SPOILER="stuff"]
  The fact that it's dated is significant considering the earlier mentioned severe reduction of rape prevalence in the last 20 years.
  Also, and this is much more crucial than the date of the survey itself, they looked at how many women were raped at any point in their life. This means if the woman was raped when she was 13 years old, and apparently rape during teenage years is the norm according to that survey, and she was more than 30 years old, which is a very likely scenario, then the rape occured 15 years before the time of the survey, this means by now it's older than any of us, and this is probably true for a majority of the cases if it was representative because in that case contributions by younger women only play a small part. That is 100% worthless in finding out how society stands on this now.
  The 0,3% number for women who reported rape in the last 12 months sound different. It's still three times as often as men were subject to rape, but that's only because the percentage is so tiny to begin with and it's far from "rape culture". If the prevalence has since halved, this would mean it's at ~1,5% nowadays. Or to put it differently, women were 98,5% unlikely to have been raped throughout the year, and men 99%. So men are just 0,5% safer from rape than women. Sounds different?
  
  Though as a caveat this would be an underreported number as it only includes the rape adult women face, as that is the base we are working with and extrapolating our estimates from as probably all of the respondents were adults- but I think the danger adult women face or do not face is the central point of current rape culture arguments, so it's fine for the purpose of this debate.
  
  
  The wage gap statistics don't help us see if there is a wage gap within a profession, but perhaps there is a wage gap between professions because of the sex the professions are associated with. I do remember reading about a study where they showed that the sex a profession was associated with changed the wage that was considered fair for that line of work. I didn't look at the study though and it may have been misrepresented by the news article.[/SPOILER]
  
  Holy shit it's at near 50% now.
  
  I personally voted for yaaassss.
• Hanna wrote on 2014-11-15 06:31
  The idea that men learn to rape through tools our current culture provides them is a good way to make a lot of young women scared of men completely. If every man is exposed to these cultural factors that cause rape the idea that no man should be trusted circulates. I've noticed this a lot with younger teenagers and they have heard about rape culture and they come to the conclusion that every man is potential rapist and they should avoid them altogether. Some even hatch the idea that life would be better without men at all which was intensified since the breakthrough of creating sperm out of female (rat)eggs. Even RAINN the largest sexual assault awareness group admits that rape is not caused by cultural factors but is caused by a conscious decision to commit a violent crime by a small percentage of the community.
  
  
  And we still hold /some/ patriarchal values in our society but we do not live in a patriarchy.
  
  When your movement is held up by lies and false or exaggerated statistics the integrity of the movement is compromised.
  I don't want feminism to disappear I want feminism fixed and I used to be a feminist because modern-day feminism has become a nasty thing that I used to be a part of but no longer want anything to do with
• Zekkii wrote on 2014-11-15 09:55
  I leave you guys alone for ONE day...
• Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2014-11-16 17:24
  Crumbling under the weight of the feminazi threat the editors of Time have removed the word feminist from the poll.
• Mentosftw wrote on 2014-11-16 17:38

  Quote from Osayidan;1254067:

  "trigger / triggered / trigger warning" should all go die.
  
  Also this "check your privilege" bullshit. Someone said that to me, and as an IT person checking privileges means to see what rights I have on a server so it made no fucking sense. After I looked into it I told them to go fuck themselves.

  
  
  Should had shouted in his/her face that you were an administrator.
• Campylobacter jejuni wrote on 2014-11-17 16:42
  Incredible. The debatte msut apparently not be a debatte when we are criticised? That was expectable, honestly.
• SlurpTASTY wrote on 2014-11-17 17:42

  Quote from Kaon;1254316:

  I dunno, I've seen sourced statistics and otherwise for all of those things, if not just witnessed them myself. There's definitely a basis for each of those.
  
  It's dated (1998) but at a glance here's some cited stats for sexual assault: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/172837.pdf
  As researched by the department of justice.
  
  Here are stats on wage gaps:
  http://www.bls.gov/news.release/wkyeng.t01.htm
  From the department of labor, updated as of last month.
  
  Tell me these aren't real?
  Patriarchy and rape culture are the results of social analysis, but I'm not in the mood to debate on that atm. But these numbers are clear.

  
  
  Both real but both irrelevant for reasons stated above my post. I really don't understand where you got the idea of North America being a rape culture... almost every point you try to bring up to support your opinion is simply wrong. I mean opinions are opinions, which is fine, but when you try to prove those opinions with nonsensical facts you kinda lose all credibility.
  
  From the bureau of Justice Statistics: "From 1995 to 2010, the estimated annual rate of female rape or sexual assault victimizations declined 58%, from 5.0 victimizations per 1,000 females age 12 or older to 2.1 per 1,000."
  
  As for wage gaps Hanna's post hit the nail on the head, the assumption that women somehow make less in the same position as men is simply out of ignorance. As a matter of fact all you're doing by posting that chart is proving your ignorance on the topic considering the chart is completely irrelevant to what you're talking about.