Cheap 1H Swords?

• Phanterz wrote on 2014-12-24 07:39
  I've picked up the game after a long break, and I have neither decent weaponry nor much money.
  
  I play a human so I'd like to dual wield if possible. Last time I played I was using a very old broadsword upgrade that ended up with 0-75 attack or so. Since then, have there been any, relatively cheap swords that surpass 222 broadsword?
  
  Also, I will be special-upgrading the swords.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-12-24 07:54
  Falcata and Battle Swords are the answer, but not sure if it'll fit your definition of cheap, it fits mine.
  
  Or you could actually look at the melee meta and realize swords aren't great and get a lance instead.
• Space Pirate Nithiel wrote on 2014-12-24 10:59
  Or you could not care about the meta and have fun using cool swords and playing the game the way you want.
  
  It would help if you defined your definition of cheap. To some people in this game, 10m is "cheap" and "not much money". If you mean cheap cheap, then yeah, battle swords are probably your best bet. You can get them from weapon shops for 7.5k and the upgrades aren't too expensive either.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2014-12-24 12:17
  I'll preface this by addressing the suggestion to pick up a lance.
  
  Knowledge is power. We have the ability to look into the future and we know that Mabinogi is going to receive an overhaul of the melee combat system. Take a little bit of time and review that information. That will give you the insight needed to make an educated decision as to the way forward.
  
  Lances are well understood to be an effective weapon system. The ability to cleave through enemy protection should not be underestimated. That being said, I would advise you to ignore Lance Charge. It's not a bad skill by any means but it's not worth the hefty reforge investment that numerous other players have made as of late. Smash and Windmill are, at present, the quintessential melee skills. If anything, you should be focusing on those.
  
  At this time, duel-wielding is effectively obsolete. While the renovation update will improve numerous aspects of dual-wield combat, you will still face the added difficulty of reforging, upgrading, enchanting, and maintaining two weapons as opposed to one. I'll now briefly cover some dual-wield options which you should consider. There are other semi-viable options which may be superior but suffer from heavily bloated initial/sustainment costs. These include things like demonic swords, apostle swords, spirit weapons, caladbolg, and elsinore.
  
  Rainbow Beam Sword:
  

  
  
  • Pre-enchanted w/Shadow Hunter and Spike
    

  
  
  Note: This is your fire and forget weapon. Falls off sharply as your character develops but god damn that's a lot of max (204)
  
  Falcata:
  

  
  
  • Pre-reforged
    
  • Eligible for special upgrades
    

  
  
  Note: A decent weapon and likely the most useful of its ilk but I would look onward.
  
  Royal Celtic Sword *Unreleased*
  

  
  
  • Eligible for special upgrades
    
  • Grants a whopping THREE set effects (Bash Damage, Critical Damage, and Durability Reduction)
    

  
  
  Note: If you're really interested in dual-wielding, this is going to THE weapon to do it with. The initial investment will be steep but you will regret dropping gold on anything else when these come out.
• Phanterz wrote on 2014-12-24 16:33
  Thanks for the responses. I'm aware that Lances are generally superior, combat-wise, but I heard that dual swords gets a mastery in Renovation as well (and FH gets buffed). Furthermore, I was just looking for ways to increase my strength quickly while I gather some money. All the lance upgrades take Artisan iirc, which will be somewhat costly to go through.
• Fabian wrote on 2014-12-24 18:49

  Quote from Phanterz;1258562:

  Thanks for the responses. I'm aware that Lances are generally superior, combat-wise, but I heard that dual swords gets a mastery in Renovation as well (and FH gets buffed). Furthermore, I was just looking for ways to increase my strength quickly while I gather some money. All the lance upgrades take Artisan iirc, which will be somewhat costly to go through.

  
  
  I saved lots of green bean swords during the past events and I just repair them at 90%. Contrary to what others are saying, I can clear Master Bandits and Elite missions just fine with them and they don't cost me an arm and a leg to make/repair. You will need a lance for Lord though, because even my r6 Ele 6 Secret Pen. KNIGHT lance had trouble. Note that this is someone with barely 500 Str in a Life talent, so if you are stronger and in close combat talent, you'll be clearing stuff much faster than me.
  
  *Disclaimer: I've yet to run Abyss dungeons or Raids, so Dual Wield might be obsolete there.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-12-25 02:06

  Quote from Phanterz;1258562:

  Thanks for the responses. I'm aware that Lances are generally superior, combat-wise, but I heard that dual swords gets a mastery in Renovation as well (and FH gets buffed). Furthermore, I was just looking for ways to increase my strength quickly while I gather some money. All the lance upgrades take Artisan iirc, which will be somewhat costly to go through.

  
  
  The renovation doesn't do too much. Dual wielding will still be inferior, even with more investment.
  
  Also, dual wielding will make you use artisan upgrade for full potential too, so there's really not that much difference. In fact, it could be more costly.
  
  

  Quote from Fabian;1258573:

  I saved lots of green bean swords during the past events and I just repair them at 90%. Contrary to what others are saying, I can clear Master Bandits and Elite missions just fine with them and they don't cost me an arm and a leg to make/repair. You will need a lance for Lord though, because even my r6 Ele 6 Secret Pen. KNIGHT lance had trouble. Note that this is someone with barely 500 Str in a Life talent, so if you are stronger and in close combat talent, you'll be clearing stuff much faster than me.
  
  *Disclaimer: I've yet to run Abyss dungeons or Raids, so Dual Wield might be obsolete there.

  
  
  Master bandits are easy contents though. And for elite missions, yes, you can hold your position with just wooden blades, soloing and actually being efficient is whole another story.
  
  Dual wielding is basically obsolete in anything higher than hard, really. You can use dual daggers in raids and go for finish, but then gunner does a much better job at this.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2014-12-25 08:01

  Quote from ironwoman;1258616:

  The renovation doesn't do too much. Dual wielding will still be inferior, even with more investment.
  
  Also, dual wielding will make you use artisan upgrade for full potential too, so there's really not that much difference. In fact, it could be more costly.
  
  
  
  Master bandits are easy contents though. And for elite missions, yes, you can hold your position with just wooden blades, soloing and actually being efficient is whole another story.
  
  Dual wielding is basically obsolete in anything higher than hard, really. You can use dual daggers in raids and go for finish, but then gunner does a much better job at this.

  
  
  If Final Hit actually deals 400% damage per hit, I would say that everything is obsolete in comparison. Has anyone confirmed on live server that it got buffed?
• Oberynn wrote on 2014-12-25 08:33

  Quote from Kaeporo;1258659:

  If Final Hit actually deals 400% damage per hit, I would say that everything is obsolete in comparison. Has anyone confirmed on live server that it got buffed?

  
  
  You mean like this?
  
  http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODU0MDE1NzQw.html?nxid=10
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-12-25 09:31

  Quote from Kaeporo;1258659:

  If Final Hit actually deals 400% damage per hit, I would say that everything is obsolete in comparison. Has anyone confirmed on live server that it got buffed?

  
  
  I was just about to confirm this but Oberynn beat me to it.
  
  Yeah, Final Hit is kind of a big deal in KR server, only problem is its cooldown. But I guess cooldown is justifiable for the skill.
• Fabian wrote on 2014-12-25 10:18

  Quote from ironwoman;1258616:

  The renovation doesn't do too much. Dual wielding will still be inferior, even with more investment.
  
  Also, dual wielding will make you use artisan upgrade for full potential too, so there's really not that much difference. In fact, it could be more costly.
  
  
  
  Master bandits are easy contents though. And for elite missions, yes, you can hold your position with just wooden blades, soloing and actually being efficient is whole another story.
  
  Dual wielding is basically obsolete in anything higher than hard, really. You can use dual daggers in raids and go for finish, but then gunner does a much better job at this.

  
  
  I'm not sure, but if I remember correctly, two days ago, it took me 4 full spawns to notice we were in Elite. I wouldn't say we were worlds apart in terms of damage before. Sure, you were leaving me in the dust, but lag made sure I killed 2 out of 5.
  
  I have had 2 gunners in my missions, and I can tell you they were OP, if rare, but one of them wasn't even high enough for Hard and he was still beating my one shot windmills during the lag spikes. Makes me want to finish Berserk to go into Gunner right away.
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-12-25 11:25

  Quote from Fabian;1258668:

  I'm not sure, but if I remember correctly, two days ago, it took me 4 full spawns to notice we were in Elite. I wouldn't say we were worlds apart in terms of damage before. Sure, you were leaving me in the dust, but lag made sure I killed 2 out of 5.
  
  I have had 2 gunners in my missions, and I can tell you they were OP, if rare, but one of them wasn't even high enough for Hard and he was still beating my one shot windmills during the lag spikes. Makes me want to finish Berserk to go into Gunner right away.

  
  
  A gunner that can't even be high enough for elite probably won't do much in there anyway. And your definition of "OP" and my definition of "OP" probably is a lot of difference. A gunner is a skillset that you actually need the stats for, so people who are lower than expert talent literally won't do much damage simply due to lack of stats.
  
  If you actually see even the mid-game melee damage of people, you'll soon figure out that dual wielding is obsolete. When there are many people saying it is obsolete... there's a good reason they're saying it.