G19

• Eremiyah wrote on 2015-01-25 18:07
  Why do I have a sudden feeling g19 needs to be dimmed down a tad bit?
• Citrusjuice wrote on 2015-01-25 18:42
  it's not that hard lol. If even did it on my elf.
• Second wrote on 2015-01-25 20:07
  The RNG needs to be fixed.
  Sometimes he spams contagion (poison) and fanaticism (teleport grab). 2 fanaticism in a row is basically death. It's not bad when he mostly just does staff swing.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-25 20:20
  Not exactly hard, but moreso extremely annoying. I do agree that the G19 Girgashiy needs a nerf. It doesn't make any sense how its stronger than the Prophets too.
• NecroBomb wrote on 2015-01-28 16:45

  Quote from Eremiyah;1262947:

  Why do I have a sudden feeling g19 needs to be dimmed down a tad bit?

  
  
  G19 does not need to be nurfed. In reality if you look at g1-3 9-17 18pt1 and 18pt2 alp the quests were made easier for players. Plus G19 does give some really helpful skills so the idea of working go get them is easier. Now yes I agree the mobs are annoying but in reality it's for a good cause. If the skills were easy to obtain and rip through the generation in a few hours it wouldn't be wort the expirence. I got this generation on a 2.8k ttl alt done in roughly 8hour so you can do it
• Fracture wrote on 2015-01-28 21:14

  Quote from NecroBomb;1263332:

  G19 does not need to be nurfed. In reality if you look at g1-3 9-17 18pt1 and 18pt2 alp the quests were made easier for players. Plus G19 does give some really helpful skills so the idea of working go get them is easier. Now yes I agree the mobs are annoying but in reality it's for a good cause. If the skills were easy to obtain and rip through the generation in a few hours it wouldn't be wort the expirence. I got this generation on a 2.8k ttl alt done in roughly 8hour so you can do it

  
  
  No. This generation, simply put, is horribly designed. The only real way to fight the prophets properly is to one-shot them. Letting a monster have Adv Heavy Stander, Teleportation, Final Hit, and on top of all that for literally no fucking reason, immunity to Magic and Ranged attacks? That's literally DevCat going "hey I hope you want to use Spear Of God because otherwise you lose!"
  
  The Girgashiy fights are dumb but doable without cheesing. The prophet fights require gimpy tactics, and are poorly designs. The mobs are pretty dumb too, because Boars do not have AI designed around advanced heavy stander, it just got slapped onto them thoughtlessly.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-28 21:39

  Quote from Fracture;1263364:

  No. This generation, simply put, is horribly designed. The only real way to fight the prophets properly is to one-shot them. Letting a monster have Adv Heavy Stander, Teleportation, Final Hit, and on top of all that for literally no fucking reason, immunity to Magic and Ranged attacks? That's literally DevCat going "hey I hope you want to use Spear Of God because otherwise you lose!"
  
  The Girgashiy fights are dumb but doable without cheesing. The prophet fights require gimpy tactics, and are poorly designs. The mobs are pretty dumb too, because Boars do not have AI designed around advanced heavy stander, it just got slapped onto them thoughtlessly.

  
  
  This generation furthermore has no prerequisite to start, other than completing beginner quests, so you can do it as early as G1. However, I guarantee a newb has no chance of completing G19.
  
  The Girgashiy fight is incredibly stupid. All its attacks sap health endlessly and there's no way to stop it, Shield of Trust literally does nothing against Mineral Hail aside from stunning it for some point, the NPCs are stupid and useless, and Soul Absorption is not only unavoidable but also instant death and he can use it WHILE YOU'RE DEAD. There is utterly no chance of countering its attacks.
  
  I find the Prophet fights mostly dumb since they're gimpy and die in just one hit. They're stupidly squishier than their minions.
  
  

  and on top of all that for literally no fucking reason, immunity to Magic and Ranged attacks?

  
  
  To be fair, Pennar's a lycanthrope. All lycans have immunity to magic and ranged.
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-01-28 22:00
  Horrible quests for newer players, not so much for later.
  
  The purpose of the G19 skills are really Girgashiy raid exclusive. And those raids, as well as the skills, aren't really meant for beginners.
  When you're a beginner, or even at the level of 3k, you should be looking to raise your overall stats, not put AP into the G19 skills.
  
  In that sense, the only people that really should be ranking the G19 skills are those who are accomplished enough as well as having higher damage, and Judgement blade being based on your character damage further compliments this. As a result, G19 quests themselves are made to be harder to clear, and yes, you pretty much have to have the brute force to complete it, but the reason is that you really should have the brute force before going into the G19 skills.
  
  Shortly put, if you don't have the damage output to take the mobs out in short time, that means your character isn't at the stage of ranking G19 skills yet, and you should wait.
• Fracture wrote on 2015-01-28 22:25

  Quote from Darkboy132;1263366:

  To be fair, Pennar's a lycanthrope. All lycans have immunity to magic and ranged.

  
  
  Yeah, but pairing that with Adv Heavy is really irritating. At least in a pinch I can windmill spam Lycans to deal with them. Pennar literally required me to run out of vision range on a horse so he wouldn't teleport at me and mess me up, then trans and use spear of god. I didn't actually try fighting the other two in all honesty, I just assumed they'd basically be duplicated of Pennar and SoG'd them too.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-28 23:11

  Quote from Fracture;1263373:

  Yeah, but pairing that with Adv Heavy is really irritating. At least in a pinch I can windmill spam Lycans to deal with them. Pennar literally required me to run out of vision range on a horse so he wouldn't teleport at me and mess me up, then trans and use spear of god. I didn't actually try fighting the other two in all honesty, I just assumed they'd basically be duplicated of Pennar and SoG'd them too.

  
  
  Brilluen has Snap Cast Int magic and Marcan just behaves like a typical ogre. Both have Adv Heavy, I think.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-02-07 08:43
  I'm 4.5K, I don't spread my AP in the most efficient manner, but I found most of G19 easily doable.
  
  ... except for the first quest where he starts doing the spear grab and setting up chain instadeaths with your soul copies. That fight took me almost as much time as the rest of the generation combined until I managed on one try where I could FB spam him to death once he got low enough to do the soul thing.