I'm thinking about doing dual guns talent?

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Leah12 wrote on 2015-02-17 23:03

So I'm thinking about doing the dual-guns talent, since I'm near finished with the Magic Talent, I'm a Master Mage with only Blaze and Meteor Strike left to rank, aside from the clerical skills, and spellwalk/snapcast. I have about 900 int, 180 str, 110 dex, 200 will, 100 luck. I worked on my combat skills a little in the past, I have r1 windmill, r1 critical, r6 combat mastery, r5 smash, r8 sword mastery, r4 heavy armor mastery, a few rA skills and the rest is basically rE and rF.

Should I work on my combat tab a little(a lot) more before I go into dual gun talent?
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-17 23:26

With 1080 from Str/Int combination, it's fine to start Dual Gun at that point. However, you may want to raise your Strength more.
Leah12 wrote on 2015-02-17 23:35

Okay, Thanks. I will probably finish heavy armor mastery, smash, and combat mastery before I get into the dual gun. What type of dual gun do you recommend I start with?
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-17 23:41
- Dowra SE for speed (better for normal shots / Way of the Gun).
- Taunes MK3 for raw damage (better for all other Gun skills, can potentially surpass Dowra SE with attack speed gear).
- Dowra's Golden Gun for speed and huge starter damage but no upgrades whatsoever (loses effectiveness at end-game).
- Black Star for raw damage and huge starter damage but no upgrades whatsoever (loses effectiveness at end-game).
Kelvas wrote on 2015-02-17 23:51

Quote from Leah12;1265723:
Okay, Thanks. I will probably finish heavy armor mastery, smash, and combat mastery before I get into the dual gun. What type of dual gun do you recommend I start with?

Basically what Darkboy said.
If you plan on becoming a full time gunner using mostly skills instead of normal attacks, consider Taunes. (clip upgrade may be useful.)
For WoTG and normal attack spam or hybrid, consider Dowra. (range is very useful for frenzy, but clip, not so much. Max dmg for the other upgrades.)

Red upgrade to r5/6 depending on budget. Note that unlike other talents, the difference between r5 and r6 is very noticeable due to WotG.

Enchants:
Prefix: Officer's, Untamed, Engineer's (personally, I wouldn't use engineer since the repair rate isn't high.)
Suffix: Automatic, Fierce, Barbarian, Violent, High-Powered, Crocodile, Destruction

Consider making an attack speed set for gunner, whether it be Automatic + Hawk/Viscount/Hummingbird ES, CD/Langu Set, or a mix between.

Might also want look at this awesome guide by Kinsoo.
Leah12 wrote on 2015-02-18 00:01

Wow, Thanks for all the info guys. I will keep this in mind when looking for a dual gun. But what skills should I rank first in this talent?
Kelvas wrote on 2015-02-18 00:05

Quote from Leah12;1265730:
Wow, Thanks for all the info guys. I will keep this in mind when looking for a dual gun. But what skills should I rank first in this talent?

Shooting Rush is the most used active skill, so that first. Dual guns mastery is important too, but you'll find that ranking it is by far the easiest of the skillset.

Also, regarding the original topic of the thread, I'd say get your str up a bit so your total str/int is 1.5k before you start (unless you have great max damage gear already. If not, work on that in the meantime.) Gunner adds a bit of CP so ranking them later might be slightly harder.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-18 00:22
Quote from Leah12;1265730:
Wow, Thanks for all the info guys. I will keep this in mind when looking for a dual gun. But what skills should I rank first in this talent?
- Shooting Rush
- Mastery
- Way of the Gun
Flash Launcher and Bullet Storm have middle priority because while they do fair damage they aren't exactly easy to execute and contribute little to the skillset's "bread n' butter". The rest have very low priority because they don't get much better at higher ranks.
Leah12 wrote on 2015-02-18 00:39

Okay, what skills do you recommend I do to bring up my str without using a ton of ap?
Kelvas wrote on 2015-02-18 00:47

Quote from Leah12;1265736:
Okay, what skills do you recommend I do to bring up my str without using a ton of ap?

Finishing close combat and lance.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-18 00:49

Quote from Leah12;1265736:
Okay, what skills do you recommend I do to bring up my str without using a ton of ap?

http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Stats_and_Skills#Strength
Leah12 wrote on 2015-02-18 00:56

Quote from Kelvas;1265737:
Finishing close combat and lance.

I don't think I will do lance until it's my last talent. Bleh.

Quote from Darkboy132;1265739:
http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Stats_and_Skills#Strength

Thanks :)
alwmiioktm wrote on 2015-02-18 01:03

Would most definitely not recommend taunes period. They are too clunky to use in my opinion, and going for the ammo upgrade seems kind of redundant when you should be going straight for the max upgrade for damage, that's the only reason you get taunes. I would recommend dowra SE guns with range upgrades, the range is really useful for wotg. Or if you want the small extra amount of max go for straight max damage. But bulletstorm and shooting rush will be your main AOE damage and having a larger base clip (64) with Dowra's allows you to be using more gun skills and reloading less. Also I wouldn't start gunner seriously until you can manage 700~ max and r6 guns, that's when guns will start to pull their weight. So honestly id work on your strength quite a bit firsthand.
ironwoman wrote on 2015-02-18 01:23

Quote from alwmiioktm;1265741:
Also I wouldn't start gunner seriously until you can manage 700~ max and r6 guns, that's when guns will start to pull their weight. So honestly id work on your strength quite a bit firsthand.

Most definitely this.

Forget what others said, 1080 Str + Int is simply not enough, period. I have about 1700-1800 combined stats of the two right now, and I still don't think that's enough. With rank 1 mastery and shooting rush, I have low-mid 700 max with Taunes, and I still use my other skillsets much more. I'm gonna pull this a bit further and say that you should start using gunner seriously at around 800 max damage, at least with Taunes.

Your choice of guns is really personal preference. For shadow missions, I'd use Taunes since you'd have to be reloading from room to room anyway. For other contents, Dowra does tend to server better as you waste less time reloading. Also, for a "bread and butter skill", you should look into reloading as well. The skill is significant for reducing the delay between each clip.
Leah12 wrote on 2015-02-18 02:01

Quote from ironwoman;1265743:
Most definitely this.

Forget what others said, 1080 Str + Int is simply not enough, period. I have about 1700-1800 combined stats of the two right now, and I still don't think that's enough. With rank 1 mastery and shooting rush, I have low-mid 700 max with Taunes, and I still use my other skillsets much more. I'm gonna pull this a bit further and say that you should start using gunner seriously at around 800 max damage, at least with Taunes.

Your choice of guns is really personal preference. For shadow missions, I'd use Taunes since you'd have to be reloading from room to room anyway. For other contents, Dowra does tend to server better as you waste less time reloading. Also, for a "bread and butter skill", you should look into reloading as well. The skill is significant for reducing the delay between each clip.

I've decided given all this information and the previous information that I will hold off on dual guns and focus on finishing a few more of my combat skills, blaze, and some str giving life skills.