What's the absolute MAX Magic Attack you can get on a Hermit's Staff?

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Leah12 wrote on 2015-02-21 01:16

The base stats/upgrades/artisan/enchants/blue upgrades combined.

Also solely what is the best base stats for a hermit's staff? Though I have nearly the max role on the artisan on my current hermit's staff I plan to make a new one that's better.
Kelvas wrote on 2015-02-21 01:25

Quote from Leah12;1266027:
The base stats/upgrades/artisan/enchants/blue upgrades combined.

Also solely what is the best base stats for a hermit's staff? Though I have nearly the max role on the artisan on my current hermit's staff I plan to make a new one that's better.

Max base MATK roll: 8
Upgrades with Artisans: 15 (0~4) + 20 (Max Artisans) + 3 (Gem)
Max roll Island/Used ES: 4+19
Blue Upgrade: 84
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Total: 153 MATK WITHOUT Reforges

[S]Factoring in reforges, while being some kind of deity that can cure cancer to get 3 lines of matk lv20, then 393 MATK.[/S] Just add 80 then if it is limited to one line.

Though, I would discourage making a staff right now, since magic renovation is just around the corner. There are a few staves that are better than the hermit, and more enchants to come as well.
Jake wrote on 2015-02-21 01:29

Quote from Kelvas;1266028:
Max base MATK roll: 8
Upgrades with Artisans: 15 (0~4) + 25 (Max Artisans) + 3 (Gem)
Max roll Island/Used ES: 4+19
Blue Upgrade: 84
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Total: 158 MATK WITHOUT Reforges

Factoring in reforges, while being some kind of deity that can cure cancer and get 3 lines of matk lv20, then 398.

Though, I would discourage making a staff right now, since magic renovation is just around the corner. There are a few staves that are better than the hermit, and more enchants to come as well.

Pretty sure magic attack doesn't fall under the category of reforges that can show up with more than one line on one item
Kelvas wrote on 2015-02-21 01:32

Quote from Jake;1266029:
Pretty sure magic attack doesn't fall under the category of reforges that can show up with more than one line on one item

Oh, I was under the impression that it was. My bad, fixed my post.
Jake wrote on 2015-02-21 01:37

Quote from Kelvas;1266030:
Oh, I was under the impression that it was. My bad, fixed my post.

I might be wrong since its a direct stat booster, but just in case you are wondering, generally the only reason reforges can show up more than once on one item is because there are actually two different reforges that happen to do the exact same thing. For instance, dual gun max damage. There is a dual gun max damage reforge that goes up to level 20, and a dual gun max reforge that goes up to level 12. This permits a maximum of level 32.

The following reforges (and maybe more that I'm simply not aware of) operate in the same manner:
Assumed all dual gun reforges
have actually seen: shooting rush, flash launcher, dual gun max
Assumed all ninja reforges
have actually seen: shuriken mastery max damage, shadow bind

The thing about these reforges though is that they don't stack when they show up on the same item. Except for the ones that directly increase stats, such as dual gun max.
Kelvas wrote on 2015-02-21 01:42

Quote from Jake;1266031:
I might be wrong since its a direct stat booster, but just in case you are wondering, generally the only reason reforges can show up more than once on one item is because there are actually two different reforges that happen to do the exact same thing. For instance, dual gun max damage. There is a dual gun max damage reforge that goes up to level 20, and a dual gun max reforge that goes up to level 12. This permits a maximum of level 32.

The following reforges (and maybe more that I'm simply not aware of) operate in the same manner:
Assumed all dual gun reforges
have actually seen: shooting rush, flash launcher, dual gun max
Assumed all ninja reforges
have actually seen: shuriken mastery max damage, shadow bind

The thing about these reforges though is that they don't stack when they show up on the same item. Except for the ones that directly increase stats, such as dual gun max.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation, I would rep you if I could, but I still need to spread some more before I'm allow to. I was under that assumption because I've seen dual gun max stacking on someone else's character. Haha.
Oberynn wrote on 2015-02-21 01:58

INT can cap without artisan or enchants, so you're not necessarily getting any magic attack from artisan,etc.
Tyskiyomy wrote on 2015-02-21 03:08

I wouldn't make another Hermit, I'd wait for Celtic Druid Staff
Well unless you want to of course, I don't control you, but in warning it's incoming eventually...
Leah12 wrote on 2015-02-21 03:33

Quote from Oberynn;1266033:
INT can cap without artisan or enchants, so you're not necessarily getting any magic attack from artisan,etc.

Yes, correct me if I'm wrong but INT is capped at 1500 and can cap without artisan or enchants but Magic Damage isn't capped. For instance, if you have 1500 INT from skills alone, then you attempt to get more INT by using enchants and artisans that add INT your Magic damage won't increase because your INT is already capped but if you have the 1500 INT from skills then you add enchants that give Magic damage, your Magic damage will still increase regardless of capped INT.

Quote from Tyskiyomy;1266039:
I wouldn't make another Hermit, I'd wait for Celtic Druid Staff
Well unless you want to of course, I don't control you, but in warning it's incoming eventually...

I had no knowledge of a new staff, But I think I will hold off now until that comes out. Thanks.
Oberynn wrote on 2015-02-21 03:44

@above
Yes, that is how it works. Doesn't matter if an artisan gives 500 INT if none of that INT is giving any magic attack, so artisan is not necessarily more magic attack than the normal upgrade or any magic attack to begin with if you have enough of the stat already.
koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-02-21 04:40

Quote from Oberynn;1266033:
INT can cap without artisan or enchants, so you're not necessarily getting any magic attack from artisan,etc.

You can but it's purely theoretical for most players.

For all but an extreme minority of top end players, the artisan will outperform the flat MATK upgrade.