Spirit Weapons - Strongest in each NA server

• Romanji wrote on 2012-04-03 01:12

  Quote from Archibald;829030:

  Do we have the data on knuckle egos?

  
  
  Nothin so far, but Nexon whipped Ego cylinders out they asses and G16 promises knuckle mastery, a destiny surrounding the usage of knuckles and new knuckles... So we can only assume egos will be closing in... I'm guessing G16s2 or G17 ?
  
  Edit: watch ego cylinders have a bow ego awakening and Knuckle ego awakening be the same goddamn blunt ego awakening... :glasses:
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2012-04-03 06:34

  Quote from Soushi;829033:

  There aren't knuckle egos in g16. There might be in the future... but look how long it took cylinders.

  
  
  Since knuckles have their own combat tab, egos for knuckles will probably happen later on. Every major type of combat has egos already.
• Romanji wrote on 2012-04-03 08:07

  Quote from EndlessDreams;829317:

  Since knuckles have their own combat tab, egos for knuckles will probably happen later on. Every major type of combat has egos already.

  
  
  Im hoping they have decent dmg and don't end up like every giant ego besides broad axes and iron maces.
• Thrower wrote on 2012-04-03 15:42

  Quote from Romanji;829357:

  Im hoping they have decent dmg and don't end up like every giant ego besides broad axes and iron maces.

  
  
  Even if they do get released, it's probably better to just maintain R upgraded ones.
  
  [video=youtube;3yqSjzxdh-A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yqSjzxdh-A[/video]
• Soushi wrote on 2012-04-03 16:30

  Quote from Thrower;829474:

  Even if they do get released, it's probably better to just maintain R upgraded ones.
  
  [video=youtube;3yqSjzxdh-A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yqSjzxdh-A[/video]

  
  
  Martial arts skillset has very low maximum damage ceiling compared to melee/range, so S type upgrades and spirit knuckles (if ever) would not really be bad at all, and depending on the damage gap between the potential spirit variant and upgraded knuckles they might even be superior to R upgraded ones.
• Thrower wrote on 2012-04-03 16:41

  Quote from Soushi;829501:

  Martial arts skillset has very low maximum damage ceiling compared to melee/range, so S type upgrades and spirit knuckles (if ever) would not really be bad at all, and depending on the damage gap between the potential spirit variant and upgraded knuckles they might even be superior to R upgraded ones.

  
  
  Unless we're specifically talking about champion and brace knuckles, ego knuckles wouldn't really compare to S or R upgraded knuckles. Hobnail knuckles only start with around 30 max and they're the best possible knuckles straight out of an NPC shop. Whether you want to S or R upgrade knuckles is an entirely different story. That is, for the most part, based entirely on preference. There's no point in really debating whether a concept would be better than what we currently actually have. I just figure that if ego knuckles were to exist, they would take entirely too long just to be marginally stronger than R or S upgraded knuckles.
• Soushi wrote on 2012-04-03 16:45

  Quote from Thrower;829515:

  Unless we're specifically talking about champion and brace knuckles, ego knuckles wouldn't really compare to S or R upgraded knuckles. Hobnail knuckles only start with around 30 max and they're the best possible knuckles straight out of an NPC shop. Whether you want to S or R upgrade knuckles is an entirely different story. That is, for the most part, based entirely on preference. There's no point in really debating whether a concept would be better than what we currently actually have. I just figure that if ego knuckles were to exist, they would take entirely too long just to be marginally stronger than R or S upgraded knuckles.

  
  
  Obviously all ego weapons take too long to be better than their upgraded variants. I was merely pointing out that if there were ego knuckles, they could easily be much better in terms of average damage than R-upgraded knuckles for martial arts... since the maximum base damage for the skillset is rather low in comparison to melee and range.
• Thrower wrote on 2012-04-03 16:50

  Quote from Soushi;829518:

  Obviously all ego weapons take too long to be better than their upgraded variants. I was merely pointing out that if there were ego knuckles, they could easily be much better in terms of average damage than R-upgraded knuckles for martial arts... since the maximum base damage for the skillset is rather low in comparison to melee and range.

  
  
  Not all of them, iron maces in particular can't even receive special upgrades. Iron mace ego is there to substitute for dual wield war hammers if you don't feel like ranking many many dex skills just to acquire a tolerable amount of balance. It's incredibly obvious that something with heightened base damage can surpass something with no enhancements to base damage in a battle of base damage. The reason I believe ego knuckles would be entirely impractical is because of the of the time/money spent on said spirit weapon when the cheaper alternatives are only likely to be marginally weaker. Again, it's just a concept and we really have no idea what would happen.
• Soushi wrote on 2012-04-03 16:58

  Quote from Thrower;829519:

  It's incredibly obvious that something with heightened base damage can surpass something with no enhancements to base damage in a battle of base damage.

  
  
  You don't understand what I'm trying to say. I'm just saying that there is a high breakeven point for average damage when comparing R-upgraded weapons to ego or S-upgraded weapons as the entire martial arts skillset as a whole has low base damage and partly revolves around multiple hits with lower multipliers. Because of this, if there were spirit knuckles they would be very good weapons to own, and possibly superior to R-upgrades enough to be worth using and that's all I ever tried to say.
  
  

  Quote from Thrower;829519:

  The reason I believe ego knuckles would be entirely impractical is because of the of the time/money spent on said spirit weapon when the cheaper alternatives are only likely to be marginally weaker. Again, it's just a concept and we really have no idea what would happen.

  
  
  I understand what you're trying to say about the difficulty of raising/maintaining an ego, and how practical/cheaper/efficient upgraded weapons are... but the same applies to most if not all egos, yet people still choose to go for them and we have this entire thread as proof.
• Romanji wrote on 2012-04-03 17:06
  I'm considering transferring my broadaxe ego into knuckles, my broad axe has nearly 90-190 base dmg... that's substantially better then an upgraded broad axe short of getting level 6S grade counting the ego's dura/crit/balance. And +will enchants aren't as common as others so I assume an ego would be the best way to handle martial arts.
  
  Edit :Knuckles have notoriously low durability after upgrading and enchanting(even without the occasional failure) second to dirks and dagger. Ego knuckles would... I'm guessing have much higher dura/crit/balance then a fully max dmg upgraded hobnail knuckle level 6S grade.
• Thrower wrote on 2012-04-03 17:11

  Quote from Soushi;829529:

  
  
  I understand what you're trying to say about the difficulty of raising/maintaining an ego, and how practical/cheaper/efficient upgraded weapons are... but the same applies to most if not all egos, yet people still choose to go for them and we have this entire thread as proof.

  
  
  Yes, but doesn't that serve to help my point? I'm saying R/S upgraded knuckles would be more efficient than something like ego knuckles. I also used the iron mace ego to point out that there are definitely instances where egos are entirely inefficient. Unless you wanted to ego a weapon purely for aesthetics, most egos aren't worth using, even when they are capped/near capped.
  
  

  Quote from Soushi;829529:

  You don't understand what I'm trying to say. I'm just saying that there is a high breakeven point for average damage when comparing R-upgraded weapons to ego or S-upgraded weapons as the entire martial arts skillset as a whole has low base damage and partly revolves around multiple hits with lower multipliers. Because of this, if there were spirit knuckles they would be very good weapons to own, and possibly superior to R-upgrades enough to be worth using and that's all I ever tried to say.

  
  
  I can agree that in theory, ego knuckles would be superior in the long run. If, and only if, by a small margin. I never said upgraded knuckles are superior, I definitely recall saying it would probably be better to just maintain upgraded knuckles.
  
  

  Quote from Romanji;829538:

  
  Edit :Knuckles have notoriously low durability after upgrading and enchanting(even without the occasional failure) second to dirks and dagger. Ego knuckles would... I'm guessing have much higher dura/crit/balance then a fully max dmg upgraded hobnail knuckle level 6S grade.

  
  
  My knuckles have 20 max durability at the moment. There's definitely no debating that an ego weapon will have much more durability. Critical is still on the table though, especially with artisan in mind. Balance shouldn't be too much of an issue with knuckles either, my pair have 32%.
• Romanji wrote on 2012-04-03 17:16
  @Thrower, your right in the sense that R/S graded weapons are better to maintain but I think of egos as the never-ending S grade weapon...
  I would exchange my ego any day for a demi-lich fierce (2h es) level 6R grade broad axe... because the crit in my fullswing is what makes jaws drop when 10k+ dmg's are seen across the entire room, having a level6R grade would be better.... but is highly unlikely to get without destroying a few broad axes
• Thrower wrote on 2012-04-03 17:18

  Quote from Romanji;829552:

  @Thrower, your right in the sense that R/S graded weapons are better to maintain but I think of egos as the never-ending S grade weapon...
  I would exchange my ego any day for a demi-lich fierce (2h es) level 6R grade broad axe... because the crit in my fullswing is what makes jaws drop when 10k+ dmg's are seen across the entire room, having a level6R grade would be better.... but is highly unlikely to get without destroying a few broad axes

  
  
  Yeah, Benier definitely mentioned destroying a few nice broad axes to get his the way he wanted.
• Romanji wrote on 2012-04-03 17:21

  Quote from Thrower;829558:

  Yeah, Benier definitely mentioned destroying a few nice broad axes to get his the way he wanted.

  
  
  glad my knuckles didnt fail my level6... I say it again... I would have quit...
• Monarchist wrote on 2012-04-04 18:04
  Cylinder awakening is actually useful though, unless it has been changed it's supposed to be some sort of multi- or single-target rapid fire water cannon I believe, despite what element cylinder.