Flamer first or Golem?

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Flonne wrote on 2010-09-03 14:08

I don't think Flame Burst gets that good even at r1 on HM missions. Only good for aoe, mob control and stun. Wait till g12 and chain cylinder comes out and it would have more DPS
Phunkie wrote on 2010-09-03 14:49

Quote from Omegatronic;145079:
@Phunkie

You may not have to delve into Mana Crystalization (MaCr) much at all if you have a good caster. I hear, but yet to confirm, that you could technically get by with rF MaCr. The only person I could find that was willing to cast 1190 times only had r2 ice spear, so I was forced to rank MaCr to r6.

Here's a good thread on the whole Mana Crys. issue with R2 AM.

http://mabination.com/mabinogi/mabinogi-talk/3835-my-findings-mana-crystallization-alchemy-mastery-2-1-a.html
Juno wrote on 2010-09-04 01:46

Quote from Flonne;145087:
I don't think Flame Burst gets that good even at r1 on HM missions. Only good for aoe, mob control and stun. Wait till g12 and chain cylinder comes out and it would have more DPS

It's all in the crits. With r1 crit you only need two crits to take out a fighter, pretty much the beefiest enemy you'll run into. It ignores prot so this will happen a decent amount of the time. Even if it doesn't, you can indefinitely spam flamer or throw a windblast in if they get uncomfortably close.

It's definitely very viable on hard mode with high rank crit, and by the time they actually can do hm lvl missions they'd have ample opportunity to rank crit up.

Golem on the other hand, while powerful, is not as fun and rosy as people make it out to be. Making lots of golem crystals is not a fun task. If it's your main source of damage then you probably can't spam Stones adv/HM to get the crystals. Even then, it would take several runs of stones to prep you for just one other mission.

It's definitely a skill you want to rank, but I wouldn't suggest ranking it before you have a solid attacking skill.
Q wrote on 2010-09-04 06:51

Quote from Juno;145625:
It's all in the crits. With r1 crit you only need two crits to take out a fighter, pretty much the beefiest enemy you'll run into. It ignores prot so this will happen a decent amount of the time. Even if it doesn't, you can indefinitely spam flamer or throw a windblast in if they get uncomfortably close.

It's definitely very viable on hard mode with high rank crit, and by the time they actually can do hm lvl missions they'd have ample opportunity to rank crit up.

Golem on the other hand, while powerful, is not as fun and rosy as people make it out to be. Making lots of golem crystals is not a fun task. If it's your main source of damage then you probably can't spam Stones adv/HM to get the crystals. Even then, it would take several runs of stones to prep you for just one other mission.

It's definitely a skill you want to rank, but I wouldn't suggest ranking it before you have a solid attacking skill.

well for one, my total is only 330 or so, so i wont be doing any HM sm for a LONG while. second, is r1 lightning and r2 water cannon good be enough to be solid attacks?

oh and my critical rank is only rA
Juno wrote on 2010-09-04 11:17

Lightning and WC are good attacks, though I'd suggest either ranking barrier to 5 for killing the cuilin golem or still ranking flame first. It's more preference at this point though.

I would still go flamer because getting golem crystals isn't my idea of a good time and thus I would use them sparingly. You seem well enough set up to juust go straight to golem.
Kaeporo wrote on 2010-09-04 23:44

I agree with Juno.

If summon golem is your highest skill, you won't be able to take your golem skill out of Stone of Silab Cullin unless you can fight your way through using your other skills. Alternatively you can make the golem crystals yourself or buy them. You'll likely be unable to afford them and making crystals is slow and tedius.

Lightning is an awesome skill but it has a very niche purpose.
1. Support. Lightning stuns the longest, loads the fastest and deals the most damage with a single charge. These attributes make it ideal as a backup skill.
2. Lightning capacitor. There is a pet AI out there that allows you to freely chaincast lightning bolt. That adds multiagro control to it's usefulness.
3. Future content. Future magic skills (magic bolt mastery, lightning mastery and bolt composer) greatly increase the strength of lightningbolt. The trinity staff triples bolt damage, essentially making lightning capacitor into a sort of Thunder.

Water cannon is the bread and butter alchemy skill. It has high damage output and the crystals are easy to aquire. Keep in mind that the stun duration is shorter than icebolt's if you fail to knockback

tldr version, windmill/refine
Archibald wrote on 2010-09-05 06:46

Quote from Kaeporo;146547:
The trinity staff triples bolt damage, essentially making lightning capacitor into a sort of Thunder.

Wait wait wait.....triples bolt damage???? Stop the presses....that can't be right. I rely on you for the numbers but post something on this in a talk thread for me.

Right now I do about 190-230 normal damage and 450-500 damage crit LB your saying that with trinity staff I'll be doing 3X THAT!!

What about bolt composer which fusion magic already does something near 400-500 normal (or more) would it triple those also?? I mean Am I reading it wrong thinking I could crit 3k bolts with that?? Repeat make a thread with this info (I don't have test account for this kinda info).
Kaeporo wrote on 2010-09-05 08:26

Quote from Archibald;146841:
Wait wait wait.....triples bolt damage???? Stop the presses....that can't be right. I rely on you for the numbers but post something on this in a talk thread for me.

Right now I do about 190-230 normal damage and 450-500 damage crit LB your saying that with trinity staff I'll be doing 3X THAT!!

What about bolt composer which fusion magic already does something near 400-500 normal (or more) would it triple those also?? I mean Am I reading it wrong thinking I could crit 3k bolts with that?? Repeat make a thread with this info (I don't have test account for this kinda info).

Bullet-time:awesome:

1. Players are able to charge the Trinity staff up to three times using bolt magic. Fully charged staves enable the temprary use of intermediate magic and boost magic bolt damage.
2. The Trinity staff discharges quickly. You need to constantly cast bolt magic to keep it charged.
3. The Trinity staff will fully discharge if you switch weapons or cast a foreign element.
4. You can't compose bolt magic without same-element wands.

Edit: Tellos posted this in one of his notes sections on the wiki.

"Assuming the player has good int (400+), new masteries will cause bolt damage 1.5x or more, Trinity Staff allows bolt magic to do nearly 3 times its base (lightning capable of doing 400-450 damage without critical)."

Hope this helps.

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