Current Skill Set Ranking

• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-06-05 03:19

  Quote from Rynn;1277335:

  Literally the only skill that does actual damage can BARELY hit 3 maybe 4 enemies if you're lucky if you're not reforged. For an AoE, that is pathetic.
  
  My lv 20 hits pretty much everything that spawns, there is 0 comparison to be made, that one single reforge is the entire make-or-break thing that holds ninja back or lifts it to greatness. You can tell how important it is just by taking a look around and seeing how ninja is so lowly regarded or seen as utility, as no one has any experience with the reforge and if they had it their minds would be blown. No other skill has this kind of mechanical dependency on a reforge to such a degree.
  
  Besides, you can't properly do the relentless room-wide AoE barrage of destruction that is guns+ninja if you don't have the reforge.

  
  
  The talent still gives you access to Sakura Abyss and to a lesser extent, instant-throw charging shuriken. Kunai Storm might have lackluster range but it hits harder than Crash Shot, Shooting Rush, and Windmill (on ele-immune). Plus it has great momentum and doesn't cause enemies to agro you instantly.
  
  The most effective strategy for clearing trash content (anything below lords) might be the combination of Shooting Rush and Kunai Storm but I don't think losing that reforge knocks it down to the same level as martial arts. Granted, it's a good reforge (more than doubling the area of effect) but even without it Kunai Storm covers only 7% less range than Shooting Rush and it's not like you've made its width reforge mandatory.
• Rynn wrote on 2015-06-05 03:31
  1. Again, even with lv 20 kunai reforge, shooting rush has larger AoE unreforged.
  2. Again, kunai storm does not deal more damage than shooting rush it only deals more efficient damage on weaker mobs due to multiple hits. Literally no way for 1150 max unbuffed with 2h r6 and 480% multiplier to lose to 950 max unbuffed with 1h r6 (for now) and 500% multiplier.
  
  Kunai storm damage reforges are to be avoided at all costs since they are beyond terrible and take up the slot of infinitely more useful things such as final hit duration.
  
  Sakura abyss is one of the most situationally useful things in the game and charge shuriken is only useful for taps as a dual gun normal hit replacement. The entire skillset hinges on kunai storm.
  
  No reforge vs reforge kunai is like trying to use r5 windmill seriously when you could have rising action range.
  
  Also, someone has to say these things because I see people left and right ditch ninja because it's simply unsatisfactory for them by default and they never get to experience it properly. It's not like everyone has high level of an extremely rare reforge laying around just to be able to see if a skillset is for them.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-06-05 03:36
  Charging Shuriken when tapped will actually attack monsters in Life Drain.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-06-05 04:16

  Quote from Rynn;1277360:

  1. Again, even with lv 20 kunai reforge, shooting rush has larger AoE unreforged.
  2. Again, kunai storm does not deal more damage than shooting rush it only deals more efficient damage on weaker mobs due to multiple hits. Literally no way for 1150 max unbuffed with 2h r6 and 480% multiplier to lose to 950 max unbuffed with 1h r6 (for now) and 500% multiplier.
  
  Kunai storm damage reforges are to be avoided at all costs since they are beyond terrible and take up the slot of infinitely more useful things such as final hit duration.
  
  Sakura abyss is one of the most situationally useful things in the game and charge shuriken is only useful for taps as a dual gun normal hit replacement. The entire skillset hinges on kunai storm.
  
  No reforge vs reforge kunai is like trying to use r5 windmill seriously when you could have rising action range.
  
  Also, someone has to say these things because I see people left and right ditch ninja because it's simply unsatisfactory for them by default and they never get to experience it properly. It's not like everyone has high level of an extremely rare reforge laying around just to be able to see if a skillset is for them.

  
  
  How does Shooting Rush have a greater area of effect than reforged Kunai Storm?
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2015-06-05 04:17
  Apostle Skills #1 at Apostle. Kind of hard to beat that.
  
  Apostle Skills are also #1 everywhere else outside Apostle. #1 from the very bottom.
• Rynn wrote on 2015-06-05 04:22

  Quote from Kaeporo;1277365:

  How does Shooting Rush have a greater area of effect than reforged Kunai Storm?

  
  
  1. You can aim instead of having it be centered on a target. A lot of KS's range can be wasted due to unfortunate enemy positioning.
  2. Following on the above, a huge far reaching rectangle lets you hit more things with the common mabi spawn patterns than a circle does.
  3. Idk man, it just does. Whether the numbers match or not, in practical use it just does.
• callback wrote on 2015-06-05 15:20

  Quote from Rydian;1277362:

  Charging Shuriken when tapped will actually attack monsters in Life Drain.

  
  
  Charged too. Charging shuriken in general can hit a lot of things. Before the magic reno, it could hit mobs frozen in IS.
  
  

  Quote from EndlessDreams;1277366:

  Apostle Skills #1 at Apostle. Kind of hard to beat that.
  
  Apostle Skills are also #1 everywhere else outside Apostle. #1 from the very bottom.

  
  
  I use my SoT with subskills outside of raids all the time. Who needs to spend money on clouds when you've got a 210 heal with 38% max wound recovery at your fingertips? At a minimum it makes first aid obsolete, especially for shoving life into allies/saving them from doom. The debuff immunity is niche, but very cool when it works. Same with the knockdown resist.