WD/BD Equipment/ Weapons

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Citrusjuice wrote on 2015-06-15 18:24
So recently i came across the topic of certain dragon gear being a waste of materials, this made me curious and so i'd like to know people's opinion on dragon gears.

Two important questions i want to ask is,

Is this equipment a waste of material? Why or why not?

If your character has no gear and you are granted one dragon equipment, which would you pick?

Feel free to include your other personal opinions about the equipment, i'd love to read them.

[spoiler="list of equipment for lazy people"]

Bhafel
- Slayer
- Slayer Circlet
- Slayer Greaves
- Slayer Gauntlet
- Slayer Guard
- Hunter
- Huntress
Languhiris
- Languhiris Bone-Breaker
- Languhiris Chaser
- Languhiris Chaser Armor
- Languhiris Chaser Boots
- Languhiris Chaser Circlet
- Languhiris Chaser Gloves
[/spoiler]
Esileruf wrote on 2015-06-15 18:35
Bhafel
- Slayer
  A Complete and utter waste of money now thanks to the Fanatic Greatsword. 50m/sword is a lot more unreasonable rather than 5-10m/sword, with the possibility of its max being far worse.
- Slayer Circlet
  Its got its uses, but its essentially a Languhiris Chaser Circlet that looks quite a lot less goofy and costs several magnitudes more, Without +2 attackspeed.
- Slayer Greaves
- Slayer Gauntlet
  Greaves+Gauntlet are worthless, pure fashion tier because of their minimal increases and overall no actual bonuses over Chaser.
- Slayer Guard
  50% chance to be better or worse than an RK. Nuff said.
- Hunter
- Huntress
  Bhafel Combo is a heinous waste of money over its closest counterparts, but its quite literally the best bow in the game. This might change its availability or want when the Royal Celtic Xbow comes out.
Languhiris
- Languhiris Bone-Breaker
  Best Lance there is, its got a use. WDrag heart is also the least concern to get, as it takes 5 Dscales to make as well.
- Languhiris Chaser
  If you want to waste money, here it is. As weak as a bracer/champ and about as costly as a r1 3L S/HP version.
- Languhiris Chaser Armor
  Unlike its black dragon counterpart, the 4 attack speed increase, +1 over Cdrag, combined with its quite impressive defensive capabilities, make it a desirable armor. Its imo one of the only gears that's well-worth the investment.
- Languhiris Chaser Boots
  For the most part fashion-tier. Its got +2 attack speed though, so its like cdrag but upgraded with fashion and more stats in mind.
- Languhiris Chaser Circlet
  Its got +2 attack speed for automatic enable, +2~12 matk for free so its desirable for mages, its only downside is that it looks goofy as hell. A much better option than wasting 70~100m on the bhafel version, this in mari would cost a better sum of around 12m.
- Languhiris Chaser Gloves
  For the most part fashion-tier. Its got +2 attack speed though, so its like cdrag but upgraded with fashion and more stats in mind.
Clean character, no gear, one item; Either the Bone-Breaker or Chaser Armor.
Blissfulkill wrote on 2015-06-15 18:35

Languhiris Chaser Armor (F) has nice pants
Rynn wrote on 2015-06-15 19:45

Quote from Esileruf;1278496:
Bhafel

Slayer Guard
50% chance to be better or worse than an RK. Nuff said.

Languhiris Bone-Breaker
Best Lance there is, its got a use. WDrag heart is also the least concern to get, as it takes 5 Dscales to make as well.

>slayer guard
I'd say more like 100% chance to be worse than RK (at least as human final hitting/bashing everything in sight) because the extra 5% ping > whatever else bhafel could potentially have over RK.

>bone-breaker
I guess "best lance there is" depends on whether or not you MAIN lance which is now a rare sight since close combat update rekt them. If you do main lance, the lessened minimum distance and option to have reasonable repair fees is really good.

However, "best lance there is" can also be applied to Demonic lance if you use lances for their current meta which is Judgement Blade sticks. Due to the STR cap, a 100k trash demonic has more dmg than a god tier max roll bone-breaker and all you have to do is click on half a cater or be a giant. 100k for best blade dmg vs 50m to get less dmg even if RNG blesses you? not worth it.

Other than those two, you pretty much nailed it for the rest of the dragon items.
Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-06-15 19:48

I never paid much attention to the chaser, I should try and make one of those. I should also see about making the Languhiris Armor
Citrusjuice wrote on 2015-06-15 19:52

i also heard that korean players are dropping lances for archery and bashinogi.

so basically... all the dragon weapons got powercreeped by celtic/gach weapons already? lol...
Rynn wrote on 2015-06-15 19:57

^A ton of NA players already dropped their lances for bashinogi too, and sadly many great people who focused on lances and smashing quit playing due to it as well.

I doubt many will go hard on archery though since the mechanics just aren't favorable for NA server as they are in KR.
Esileruf wrote on 2015-06-15 20:28

Quote from Rynn;1278501:
>slayer guard
I'd say more like 100% chance to be worse than RK (at least as human final hitting/bashing everything in sight) because the extra 5% ping > whatever else bhafel could potentially have over RK.

>bone-breaker
I guess "best lance there is" depends on whether or not you MAIN lance which is now a rare sight since close combat update rekt them. If you do main lance, the lessened minimum distance and option to have reasonable repair fees is really good.

However, "best lance there is" can also be applied to Demonic lance if you use lances for their current meta which is Judgement Blade sticks. Due to the STR cap, a 100k trash demonic has more dmg than a god tier max roll bone-breaker and all you have to do is click on half a cater or be a giant. 100k for best blade dmg vs 50m to get less dmg even if RNG blesses you? not worth it.

Other than those two, you pretty much nailed it for the rest of the dragon items.

I agree with you on the 5% ping thing. It still doesn't change folks' minds when its comes to MUH +5 PROT.

On Lances:
Cartel+67ths=9x repair, +40~55 max, +6 pierce, +15~20 Str
Cartel+Pene=5.1x repair, 20~25 maximum +5 pierce.
Secret+67ths= 5x repair, +37~47 maximum, +5 pierce.
Siege/67ths= 5.3x repair, 36~54 maximum, +4 pierce.
Sec/Pene= 1.1x repair, +17 maximum, +4 pierce.

Base Stats:
Lion Claw: 85 max, 70 str artisan, 5.2k repair, 2 pierce.
Knight Lance: 72 Max (70 if not 100 grade), 25 str artisan, 5.4k repair, 4 pierce.
Demonic: 92 max, 35 str art, 18k repair, 4 pierce
Bonebreaker: 90 max(MAX ROLL), 70 str artisan, 17.6k repair, 5 pierce.

[S]Siege/67ths bonebreaker doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. Its marginally better though, only if you get maximum roll.[/S]
gg useless icepick go next.

[spoilers]but that's the whole point of the dragon gear tbh, minimal increases[/spoilers]
Rynn wrote on 2015-06-15 20:30

^demonic is 92, not 88. Can also get 96 via blacksmithing (but ain't nobody got time for dat).

So yeah, it has 2 more max than a max roll one (6 if you tryhard). With the amount of money you would save on getting a max roll bone-breaker you could buy bunch of cartels. This is Judgement blade-wise only though, because bone-breaker is better if you plan to actually use lance combat.
Esileruf wrote on 2015-06-15 20:36

Pardon me, I can't count. Woops.
Rynn wrote on 2015-06-15 20:39

64 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 8 = 92 if you follow the upgrade path listed in wiki.
ironwoman wrote on 2015-06-15 22:18

Out of all the dragon equipments... I'd say Bhafel Hunter + Huntress combo is the most worth and possibly the best you can have.

Now, I'm among the minority who have a good investment into archery, but if you're like me, I'd say you should go for the combo, no excuses.

Even when the new crossbow comes out, the utility the combo can provide in many situations is immense.

As for the other parts... I want to say big nope, but maybe not Languhiris Chaser set. Looks? 10/10. Defensive stats? The best for light armor, if you're into that. Perhaps I'm a little bit biased because I do own Languhiris Chaser set with the exception of gloves, but I do think it's worthwhile to get, the Magic Attack from the circlet is really nice too.

Now why are other parts big nope? Many have said it already, but the Bhafel Slayer Guard set is not worth it at all because of all the costs involved with little returns, especially with lower ping rate than RKA. Bone breaker? Signature weapon, Demonic or Knight lance would be the more efficient way to go. Knuckles? Pfft. Shitty roll, shitty bonuses, nuff said. Right now fighter is mainly for stat reduction anyway. Bhafel Slayer? So you're looking at a slow hit weapon, with less damage than Fanatic. Doesn't matter how attractive 5 piercing sounds, the weapon speed doesn't make it desirable for bash.

With that being said, I think the Bhafel combo and Languhiris chaser set are the most "worth".
Kaeporo wrote on 2015-06-16 02:25

Bhafel Slayer
Awful. Completely outclassed by even a min roll Fanatic Greatsword.

Slayer Circlet
Arguably the best helmet for mages (up to +10 magic attack). The best alternative is the Broad-brimmed Feather Hat.

Slayer Greaves/Gauntlet/Guard
On a scale from 1 to RKA, it's garbage.

Hunter + Huntress
Competes with Celtic Royal Crossbow for "best ranged weapon". âˆž ammo, great range, reduced mobility, greater initial cost.

Languhiris Bone-Breaker
The best lance (i.e. best last gen melee weapon). Usefulness begins and ends at Girgashiy. Can sub out for 67th Knight.

Languhiris Chaser
Awful.

Languhiris Armor
Usefulness depends on your usage of the Attack Speed set effect. It's a good set, functionally identical to the Chinese Dragon Set.
Rynn wrote on 2015-06-16 02:29

^langu circlet gets 2 more magic attack so it's better for mages, and demonic lance is better for girgash as pointed out earlier.
Kaeporo wrote on 2015-06-16 02:33

Quote from Rynn;1278537:
^langu circlet gets 2 more magic attack so it's better for mages, and demonic lance is better for girgash as pointed out earlier.

Sure.

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Essentially, none of this stuff is worth your time.

If you've already got it, great. If not, just wait for DevCat to render it all further obsolete.

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