Since there's already a mana shield, there should also be a "stamina shield"

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Invertex wrote on 2010-09-05 05:45

Quote from Archibald;146808:
Better Idea (since Mana shield is a magic skill, defense passive stat is MELEE SHIELD) would be making a stam reducing skill or a meditation like skill for stam(INB4 someone says rest) something you can use while running with Bow or melee weapon.

I actually like this idea.
Sounds sort of like the Combat Respiration skill in Vindi.
Singleuseonly wrote on 2010-09-05 06:32

Quote from Archibald;146808:
Better Idea (since Mana shield is a magic skill, defense passive stat is MELEE SHIELD) would be making a stam reducing skill or a meditation like skill for stam(INB4 someone says rest) something you can use while running with Bow or melee weapon.

=O Sounds nice to me...sounds a little unfair to mages though, since stamina pots are already easily accessible.
Archibald wrote on 2010-09-05 06:38

Quote from Singleuseonly;146836:
=O Sounds nice to me...sounds a little unfair to mages though, since stamina pots are already easily accessible.

Kinda used to that. Although when G13 comes out I think I'll have something like 900-1k mana non trans...Which will go a long ways since I mostly use Blaze. (MP efficient)
Kaeporo wrote on 2010-09-05 07:38

Attn: Devcat,

1. Stop adding magic/alchemy skills, at least temporarily.
1a. Magic has an absurd number of future/current skills.
1a1. Lightning and Fire advanced skills are fine. No more passives.
1b. Alchemy has a ton of skills plus a massive AP cost.
2. Melee needs some new skills.
2a. Add new active skills. Most melee users spam wm, wm, wm, smash
3. Give archers new ranged skills. Srsly.
3a. Archery has a grand total of one passive skill. Bow/Crossbow mastery plz.
4. G14 skill content
4a. Alchemy: 0-2
4b. Magic: 0-1
4c. Melee: 1-2
4d. Range 1-2
5. Slow down on the new content.
5a. Several skills need renewals/uncaps.
5b. Several areas (looking at you Iria) need to not suck.
5c. Past mainstream quests should be updated to include VA, etc
5d. Exploration needs more useful options.
5e. The pet system needs work.
5f. The PVP system still completely fails.

Love, Kapo
Username wrote on 2010-09-05 07:42

Melee has enough skills.
8( Alchemy is about diversity of the elements. Mages are kinda like that too.
Melee is just smashing things and go spinny spinny right round.
Archery is just shooting things.

If anything, they should add guns.
Phunkie wrote on 2010-09-05 08:00

Quote from Kaeporo;146853:
Attn: Devcat,

1. Stop adding magic/alchemy skills, at least temporarily.
1a. Magic has an absurd number of future/current skills.
1a1. Lightning and Fire advanced skills are fine. No more passives.
1b. Alchemy has a ton of skills plus a massive AP cost.
2. Melee needs some new skills.
2a. Add new active skills. Most melee users spam wm, wm, wm, smash
3. Give archers new ranged skills. Srsly.
3a. Archery has a grand total of one passive skill. Bow/Crossbow mastery plz.
4. G14 skill content
4a. Alchemy: 0-2
4b. Magic: 0-1
4c. Melee: 1-2
4d. Range 1-2
5. Slow down on the new content.
5a. Several skills need renewals/uncaps.
5b. Several areas (looking at you Iria) need to not suck.
5c. Past mainstream quests should be updated to include VA, etc
5d. Exploration needs more useful options.
5e. The pet system needs work.
5f. The PVP system still completely fails.

Love, Kapo

P.S. I want my Charge uncap asap! plzty
Invertex wrote on 2010-09-05 08:06

Quote from Kaeporo;146853:
Attn: Devcat,

1. Stop adding magic/alchemy skills, at least temporarily.
1a. Magic has an absurd number of future/current skills.
1a1. Lightning and Fire advanced skills are fine. No more passives.
1b. Alchemy has a ton of skills plus a massive AP cost.
2. Melee needs some new skills.
2a. Add new active skills. Most melee users spam wm, wm, wm, smash
3. Give archers new ranged skills. Srsly.
3a. Archery has a grand total of one passive skill. Bow/Crossbow mastery plz.
4. G14 skill content
4a. Alchemy: 0-2
4b. Magic: 0-1
4c. Melee: 1-2
4d. Range 1-2
5. Slow down on the new content.
5a. Several skills need renewals/uncaps.
5b. Several areas (looking at you Iria) need to not suck.
5c. Past mainstream quests should be updated to include VA, etc
5d. Exploration needs more useful options.
5e. The pet system needs work.
5f. The PVP system still completely fails.

Love, Kapo

I think the reason they're making a massive pile of Magic/Alchemy skills is that they all seem to use the same set of animations. So all they need to do is add the flashy effects (which you need with range/melee anyways) and you're done. Although I do think Alchemy is going to slow down as we're out of C3, which was focused on alchemy.
Singleuseonly wrote on 2010-09-05 08:46

Quote from Kaeporo;146853:
Attn: Devcat,

1. Stop adding magic/alchemy skills, at least temporarily.
1a. Magic has an absurd number of future/current skills.
1a1. Lightning and Fire advanced skills are fine. No more passives.
1b. Alchemy has a ton of skills plus a massive AP cost.
2. Melee needs some new skills.
2a. Add new active skills. Most melee users spam wm, wm, wm, smash
3. Give archers new ranged skills. Srsly.
3a. Archery has a grand total of one passive skill. Bow/Crossbow mastery plz.
4. G14 skill content
4a. Alchemy: 0-2
4b. Magic: 0-1
4c. Melee: 1-2
4d. Range 1-2
5. Slow down on the new content.
5a. Several skills need renewals/uncaps.
5b. Several areas (looking at you Iria) need to not suck.
5c. Past mainstream quests should be updated to include VA, etc
5d. Exploration needs more useful options.
5e. The pet system needs work.
5f. The PVP system still completely fails.

Love, Kapo

Other than the part about alchemy/magic not needing more skills, I completely agree with the list.
NewbieNub wrote on 2010-09-05 09:28

How about this, guys:

A skill that prevents Stamina loss, prevents you from getting KBd, gives you all passive shields, allow you to run 2x faster and shrug off attacks and even replenishes your health by 25 (TEMP HP) when you use it.

I will call that skill...

Adrenaline.

Quote from Kaeporo;146853:
Attn: Devcat,

1. Stop adding magic/alchemy skills, at least temporarily.
1a. Magic has an absurd number of future/current skills.
1a1. Lightning and Fire advanced skills are fine. No more passives.
1b. Alchemy has a ton of skills plus a massive AP cost.
2. Melee needs some new skills.
2a. Add new active skills. Most melee users spam wm, wm, wm, smash
3. Give archers new ranged skills. Srsly.
3a. Archery has a grand total of one passive skill. Bow/Crossbow mastery plz.
4. G14 skill content
4a. Alchemy: 0-2
4b. Magic: 0-1
4c. Melee: 1-2
4d. Range 1-2
5. Slow down on the new content.
5a. Several skills need renewals/uncaps.
5b. Several areas (looking at you Iria) need to not suck.
5c. Past mainstream quests should be updated to include VA, etc
5d. Exploration needs more useful options.
5e. The pet system needs work.
5f. The PVP system still completely fails.

Love, Kapo

The day they introduce this is the day I see my mana recovering as fast as stamina or even faster.

You guys don't have skills that takes up 20% of your entire stamina pool just for a single attack, do you?
Singleuseonly wrote on 2010-09-05 09:46

Quote from NewbieNub;146869:
How about this, guys:

A skill that prevents Stamina loss, prevents you from getting KBd, gives you all passive shields, allow you to run 2x faster and shrug off attacks and even replenishes your health by 25 (TEMP HP) when you use it.

I will call that skill...

Adrenaline.

They already have a name for it, I believe its called Awakening of Light.
Kaeporo wrote on 2010-09-05 19:37

Quote from NewbieNub;146869:
How about this, guys:

A skill that prevents Stamina loss, prevents you from getting KBd, gives you all passive shields, allow you to run 2x faster and shrug off attacks and even replenishes your health by 25 (TEMP HP) when you use it.

I will call that skill...

Adrenaline.

The day they introduce this is the day I see my mana recovering as fast as stamina or even faster.

You guys don't have skills that takes up 20% of your entire stamina pool just for a single attack, do you?

Define. Are you referring to Archers, Knights or Alchemists?

Melee and Range are inexpensive inside of combat. Final hit is the most stamina heavy, requiring around 90 stamina per use. Crash shot uses 15 MP/SP per shot. Arrow revolver costs 16 stamina per volley.

It almost seems as if DevCat feels the need to bump AP costs in an effort to put similar level characters in separate classes on the same level. Alchemy's ridiculous AP requirements being the prime example.

The problem is that melee and range just don't have the option to sacrifice resources for increased capabilities.

As far as animations are concerned, DevCat has a single future melee active skill carrying a new animation in addition to new poses obtained by wielding the dragon tooth and glory sword. Archers gain one new active skill carrying a unique animation.

New magic animations,
1. Trinity staff: male+female pose
2. Trinity staff: Unique normal animation
3. Trinity staff: Unique smash animation
4. Trinity staff: Charged bolts have a unique particle effects on top of 300% damage
5. New bolt composer animation
6. New hailstorm animation

That argument just died :/
Andy-Buddy wrote on 2010-09-05 19:42

Quote from Kaeporo;147034:
New magic animations,
1. Trinity staff: male+female pose
2. Trinity staff: Unique normal animation
3. Trinity staff: Unique smash animation
4. Trinity staff: Charged bolts have a unique particle effects on top of 300% damage
5. New bolt composer animation
6. New hailstorm animation

That argument just died :/

There was also a new normal bolt charge animation. (Uglier IMO)
Kaeporo wrote on 2010-09-05 19:46

Quote from Andy-Buddy;147036:
There was also a new normal bolt charge animation. (Uglier IMO)

The new "shake your fist at God because he just flooded your village" animation? I don't think anyone likes that "improvement".
abc33kr wrote on 2010-09-05 21:54

xP the new magic charge animation of g13 looks like if the char is taking a dump.
Spartaaaaa wrote on 2010-09-06 19:13

Quote from abc33kr;147115:
xP the new magic charge animation of g13 looks like if the char is taking a dump.

Indeed the characters appear to be dumping all of their MP away by casting magic!

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