CRK Crossbow or Bhafel bow+arrows?

• Rynn wrote on 2015-06-19 06:57
  It's just like 2 max tho. You're already rolling that just by crafting via carpentry.
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-06-19 07:11
  I'm not arguing that, in fact that'd probably be the way I'd upgrade my future Crossbow unless I get higher than A grade somehow.
  
  My point being, if you're a perfectionist, and want to get that tiny 2 max, you'd have to opt in for a higher grade Crossbow, which people'd try to get anyway I assume.
• riuk wrote on 2015-06-19 13:51

  Quote from Kaeporo;1278953:

  The Celtic Royal Crossbow w/sharp bolts will generally out-damage the Bhafel Hunter w/Huntress per shot. You're looking at a tiny difference, honestly.
  
  Price:
  Bhafel combo is far more expensive to create.
  Celtic combo is more expensive to maintain (no infinite ammo).
  
  Damage:
  Bhafel combo will hit enemies with very low or very high protection harder than the crossbow combo.
  
  Range:
  Bhafel hunter has 2,000 range compared to the Celtic Royal Crossbow's 1800 range.
  
  Mobility:
  Crossbows do not restrict mobility.
  
  Accuracy:
  
  [SPOILER=" "]Heavy skills: Bhafel aims 11% faster than Celtic
  
  Point-Blank:
  1.28 (Bhafel)
  1.42 (Celtic)
  
  1k Distance:
  4 (Bhafel)
  4.4 (Celtic)
  
  Light skills: Celtic aims 12~30% faster than Bhafel (insignificant)
  
  Point-Blank:
  0.3 (Bhafel)
  0.23 (Celtic)
  
  1k Distance:
  0.83 (Bhafel)
  0.74 (Celtic)[/SPOILER]
  
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  Functionally, they're pretty much equal. The biggest difference between the two is the added mobility granted by crossbows and costs involved. If you've already got a Bhafel combo, stick with it. If you want a cheesy end-game weapon, get the crossbow.

  
  Thanks for the explanation!! It helped me a lot!
• callback wrote on 2015-06-19 14:27

  Quote from Kaeporo;1278953:

  
  Accuracy:
  
  [SPOILER=" "]Heavy skills: Bhafel aims 11% faster than Celtic
  
  Point-Blank:
  1.28 (Bhafel)
  1.42 (Celtic)
  
  1k Distance:
  4 (Bhafel)
  4.4 (Celtic)
  
  Light skills: Celtic aims 12~30% faster than Bhafel (insignificant)
  
  Point-Blank:
  0.3 (Bhafel)
  0.23 (Celtic)
  
  1k Distance:
  0.83 (Bhafel)
  0.74 (Celtic)[/SPOILER]
  

  
  
  What constitutes light vs heavy skills? I'm guessing magnum and crash are heavy while support and AR are light?
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-06-19 15:03

  Quote from callback;1279174:

  What constitutes light vs heavy skills? I'm guessing magnum and crash are heavy while support and AR are light?

  
  
  Crash Shot and Magnum Shot are the only heavy ranged skills. Heavy skills reach 99% accuracy in a max of 8 seconds and are only influenced by Final Shot.
  
  All other skills which aim are light ranged skills. Light skills reach 99% accuracy in a max of 5 seconds and are influenced by vivace, attack speed set, crossbow's hidden bonus, ranged attack's aim speed bonus, Final Shot, etc.
• Rynn wrote on 2015-06-19 16:22
  "normal" roll xbow = 24 bal.
  1. +200 range upg, -5 bal.
  2. +1 max upg, -2 bal.
  3. +1 max upg, -2 bal.
  4. +3 max upg, +5 bal.
  5. +1 pierce upg.
  Total = 20 bal.
  
  Combat Mastery + Ranged Mastery = 30 bal.
  
  You got 50 bal right there, don't you only need like 600 dex to get 30 bal from dex and cap to 80? Idk what I'm missing that ironwoman can see but there is no damage loss and balance is fine.
• Yanm wrote on 2015-06-19 16:34

  Quote from Rynn;1279186:

  "normal" roll xbow = 24 bal.
  1. +200 range upg, -5 bal.
  2. +1 max upg, -2 bal.
  3. +1 max upg, -2 bal.
  4. +3 max upg, +5 bal.
  5. +1 pierce upg.
  Total = 20 bal.
  
  Combat Mastery + Ranged Mastery = 30 bal.
  
  You got 50 bal right there, don't you only need like 600 dex to get 30 bal from dex and cap to 80? Idk what I'm missing that ironwoman can see but there is no damage loss and balance is fine.

  
  
  Since when did CM affect range weapon balance?
• Rynn wrote on 2015-06-19 16:40

  Quote from Yanm;1279188:

  Since when did CM affect range weapon balance?

  
  
  It does for shuriken and guns and those are ranged weapons.
  I don't have any bow that doesn't have 40%+ balance and neither do NPCs, so can't test, but don't see why not when it affects everything else even when it's not melee weapons.
  
  Even if it does not, 20% balance for a mid roll still makes it pretty manageable.
  Also those upgrades are going off of wiki data, and since the middle upgrades all give the same 1 max there should be no reason to go for one with higher balance penalty as opposed to the one with the least if the information on wiki is accurate.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-06-19 17:06

  Quote from Rynn;1279189:

  It does for shuriken and guns and those are ranged weapons.
  I don't have any bow that doesn't have 40%+ balance and neither do NPCs, so can't test, but don't see why not when it affects everything else even when it's not melee weapons.
  
  Even if it does not, 20% balance for a mid roll still makes it pretty manageable.
  Also those upgrades are going off of wiki data, and since the middle upgrades all give the same 1 max there should be no reason to go for one with higher balance penalty as opposed to the one with the least if the information on wiki is accurate.

  
  
  Combat Mastery increases the balance of all weapons sans bows, crossbows, and atatls.
  
  The important thing to take out of this is that unlike damn near every other weapon, the Celtic Royal Crossbow's balance is a concern and should be monitored.
• Rynn wrote on 2015-06-19 17:12
  ^oh, sucks to suck for bows/atlatl/crossbow then on that end.
  
  Still, while it's fair to monitor it it's not as BIG of a deal as first proposed if you can just spam bowstring winding 1 since it has the same max as 2 and 3. Or god forbid swap one of them for the balance upgrade.
  
  With a 20+ balance weapon developed archers should be more than fine, while others can use swarming x2.
• enjoytimer wrote on 2015-06-28 03:01
  why is there nothing on ferghus upgrade list? it's already 3/5 upg
  
  mabination denied my post of image