-
Rydian wrote on 2015-08-09 13:35
Well we had a thread on dungeon drops and unfortunately most of those aren't still sought-after or applicable today (or the skill books didn't exist at the time), but the older monster drops are still wanted for various reasons nowadays so let's look at those.
Monsters with drops generally have three drop pools* with a weighted chance of each pool being selected when the monster drops something. Whichever pool is chosen, they'll pick one item in the chosen pool. Devcat further weights the odds of certain things by putting them in a pool more than once.
[SIZE="1"]* - For a number of monsters, pools 3 and/or 2 have nothing in them with a weight of 0.[/SIZE]
StoneHoundWithShiningEar
[tbl][tr][td]Pool[/td][td]Weight[/td][td]Chance[/td][td]Item[/td][td]Item[/td][td]Item[/td][/tr][tr][td]1[/td][td]600,000[/td][td]~95.08%[/td][td]Phoenix Feather[/td][td]Stone Hound's Glowing Ear[/td][td]Stone Hound's Glowing Ear[/td][/tr][tr][td]2[/td][td]30,000[/td][td]~4.75%[/td][td]MP 30 Potion[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][/tr][tr][td]3[/td][td]1,000[/td][td]~0.15%[/td][td]Elite Magic Powder[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][/tr][/tbl]So the monster has a ~63.38% chance to drop the glowing ear part.
ShiningStoneHound
[tbl][tr][td]Pool[/td][td]Weight[/td][td]Chance[/td][td]Item[/td][td]Item[/td][td]Item[/td][/tr][tr][td]1[/td][td]600,000[/td][td]~100%[/td][td]Exploration Journal, Page 3[/td][td]Exploration Journal, Page 3[/td][td]Quartz Light Leather Mail (M)[/td][/tr][/tbl]And the end glowing statue monster has a 2/3 chance to drop the page, further showing how the RNG hates me.
----------
Anybody gotten annoyed at collecting those Volcano Lizard Scales? Well it turns out there's two kinds of the lizards. There's VolcanoLizardA (green) and VolcanoLizardB (red) and they have similar drop pools, but small differences and different weights that result in different chances of a scale.
VolcanoLizardA
[tbl][tr][td]Pool[/td][td]Weight[/td][td]Chance[/td][td]Item[/td][td]Item[/td][td]Item[/td][/tr][tr][td]1[/td][td]190,000[/td][td]~85.97%[/td][td]Volcano Lizard Scale[/td][td]Sliced Meat[/td][td]Stamina 30 Potion[/td][/tr][tr][td]2[/td][td]30,000[/td][td]~13.57%[/td][td]Empty Bottle[/td][td]Arrow (10-40)[/td][td]Fossil[/td][/tr][tr][td]3[/td][td]1,000[/td][td]~0.45%[/td][td]Tork's Hunter Gloves[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][/tr][/tbl]VolcanoLizardB
[tbl][tr][td]Pool[/td][td]Weight[/td][td]Chance[/td][td]Item[/td][td]Item[/td][td]Item[/td][td]Item[/td][/tr][tr][td]1[/td][td]240,000[/td][td]~91.95%[/td][td]Volcano Lizard Scale[/td][td]Sliced Meat[/td][td]HP 30 Potion[/td][td]Stamina 30 Potion[/td][/tr][tr][td]2[/td][td]20,000[/td][td]~7.66%[/td][td]Phoenix Feather[/td][td]Arrow (10-40)[/td][td]Fossil[/td][td]-[/td][/tr][tr][td]3[/td][td]1,000[/td][td]~0.38%[/td][td]Stiff Hat[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][/tr][/tbl]So the green ones have a ~28.65% chance to drop it, while the reds have a 22.95% chance.
-
Esileruf wrote on 2015-09-13 01:42
Would you be able to find out the drop rate for Oblivion from the Giant Long Horned Gnu?
-
Rydian wrote on 2015-09-13 07:30
Oblivion looks to be enchant 20745, so...
[S]GiantBigHornGnu_hard[tbl][tr][td]Pool[/td][td]Weight[/td][td]Chance[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]1[/td][td]300000[/td][td]75%[/td][td]Large Meat[/td][td]Sliced Meat[/td][td]HP 10 Potion[/td][td]HP 30 Potion[/td][/tr][tr][td]2[/td][td]90000[/td][td]22.5%[/td][td]Bloody Herb[/td][td]Mana Herb[/td][td]Sunlight Herb[/td][td]Enchant (Oblivion)[/td][/tr][tr][td]3[/td][td]10000[/td][td]2.5%[/td][td]Adonis Hat (F)[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][/tr][/tbl]
5.625% chance?[/S]
Fixed the readout, it was skipping anything past the 4th item, my bad.
GiantBigHornGnu_hard[tbl][tr][td]Pool[/td][td]Weight[/td][td]Chance[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]1[/td][td]300000[/td][td]75%[/td][td]Large Meat[/td][td]Sliced Meat[/td][td]HP 10 Potion[/td][td]HP 30 Potion[/td][td]Giant Hoof Blah Blah[/td][td]Giant Hoof Blah Blah[/td][/tr][tr][td]2[/td][td]90000[/td][td]22.5%[/td][td]Bloody Herb[/td][td]Mana Herb[/td][td]Sunlight Herb[/td][td]Enchant (Oblivion)[/td][td]Enchant (Oblivion)[/td][td]-[/td][/tr][tr][td]3[/td][td]10000[/td][td]2.5%[/td][td]Adonis Hat (F)[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][/tr][/tbl]
So 9%?
Also the field boss group database adds the Pet First-Aid Kit to his drop table.
<drop_item value="id:63032 count:1" />
Doesn't seem to interfere with his personal drops.
-
Rixx wrote on 2015-09-13 11:15
Quote from Rydian;1286395:
5.625% chance?
That's higher than I expected..
Maybe I'm just super unlucky.
-
sprie wrote on 2015-09-13 14:17
Hi, I been looking for Sight enchant from Black Warrior. Would you be able to find out the drop rate it?
-
Iyasenu wrote on 2015-09-13 15:36
So these table are the drop rate for items WHEN a monster drops an item in the first place?
Does CP have any influence on a monster's chance to drop an item on death?
-
Aubog007 wrote on 2015-09-13 15:50
Quote from Iyasenu;1286418:
So these table are the drop rate for items WHEN a monster drops an item in the first place?
Does CP have any influence on a monster's chance to drop an item on death?
Well do glowing stone hound and note if you dont get drops or not.
-
Iyasenu wrote on 2015-09-13 18:19
Quote from Aubog007;1286419:
Well do glowing stone hound and note if you dont get drops or not.
Oh I just meant for enemies like... I dunno.
Ancients or something
It just always feels like Ancients like dropping stuff for my low-cp alts more than my high-CP main.
Well, and monsters in general, like Shadow Mission mobs that don't drop stuff all the time.
But it's just a feeling since I don't know otherwise.
Wondering if it's a coincidence or if CP really does affect the odds of a monster dropping "anything" on death.
-
Poshwosh wrote on 2015-09-13 23:40
I asked you before about Dexterity enchant, Rydian. How it doesn't really fit with what everyone says about it, loot list shows elite only, while community says it drops from all difficulties.
Well, what about Raccoon Cub?
According to the files, it shows that it isn't contained in the end chest, but instead is in the treasure chest room, the one on the 2nd floor with the traps.
Has anyone here ever found the enchant?
-
Rydian wrote on 2015-09-14 15:21
Quote from sprie;1286415:
Hi, I been looking for Sight enchant from Black Warrior. Would you be able to find out the drop rate it?
That's the +10 Max and +10 Balance one right? ID 20418.
(Trivia: "Enchants" are called "options" in the files, "Sight" is called "Vision", and "Balance" is called "Rate".)
BlackWarrior_hard[tbl][tr][td]Pool[/td][td]Weight[/td][td]Chance[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]1[/td][td]250000[/td][td]89.29%[/td][td]Phoenix Feather[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][/tr][tr][td]2[/td][td]20000[/td][td]7.14%[/td][td]Soldier Cuirassier Helm[/td][td]Criminal's Ski Mask[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][/tr][tr][td]3[/td][td]10000[/td][td]3.57%[/td][td]Enchant Scroll (Sight)[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][/tr][/tbl]
Quote from Iyasenu;1286418:
So these table are the drop rate for items WHEN a monster drops an item in the first place?
Does CP have any influence on a monster's chance to drop an item on death?
Yup. I know that less-than-normal CP means less-than-normal drops but no details. It's an engine function rather than some sort of script or loot table, so even if there's a copy of it in the old client DLLs I can't read that stuff 'cause it's compiled machine code.
Quote from Poshwosh;1286451:
I asked you before about Dexterity enchant, Rydian. How it doesn't really fit with what everyone says about it, loot list shows elite only, while community says it drops from all difficulties.
This type of direct info is being pulled from a non-NA leak at least 4 years old.
Quote from Poshwosh;1286451:
Well, what about Raccoon Cub?
According to the files, it shows that it isn't contained in the end chest, but instead is in the treasure chest room, the one on the 2nd floor with the traps.
Has anyone here ever found the enchant?
Enchant 31301... other than showing up in gacha lists for a while, it does show up in the Peaca... 9-chest rooms, not the end reward.
If the chest drops an enchant, it's a 1/10 chance of being Raccoon Cub as far as I read.
Note that some drops in Mabi do change without notification, especially across regions.
Given that it's a rank 3 enchant, it'd be cheaper and easier to buy one that came out of a gacha than to actually apply the enchant successfully anyways.
-
Rynn wrote on 2015-09-14 15:32
Oblivion enchant drop rate seems right on point.
How about Swarming?
-
Rydian wrote on 2015-09-14 19:10
Swarming is "Infest", enchant ID 30530.
FieldBossGolem_hard[tbl][tr][td]Pool[/td][td]Weight[/td][td]Chance[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr][tr][td]1[/td][td]50000[/td][td]45.45%[/td][td]Phoenix Feather[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][/tr][tr][td]2[/td][td]50000[/td][td]45.45%[/td][td]Soldier Cuirassier Helm[/td][td]Criminal's Ski Mask[/td][td]Enchant Scroll (Swarming)[/td][td]-[/td][/tr][tr][td]3[/td][td]10000[/td][td]9.09%[/td][td]Rose Plate Armor (Type B)[/td][td]Rose Plate Armor (Type B)[/td][td]-[/td][td]-[/td][/tr][/tbl]15.15%
The armors are different set colors.
Also lolwut with the repeats of the mask and helmet from bosses.
-
Rynn wrote on 2015-09-14 19:24
Wouldn't there also be a chance for an item not to drop?
Also, upon closer look at the gnu chart I see that it doesn't mention pet revive kit but gnus drop those more than anything else so idk if I'm missing something.
-
Twin wrote on 2015-09-15 02:47
How about Black Fog and Heroic?
-
Rynn wrote on 2015-09-15 02:55
The server data likely used for this thread is based on g13 when they didn't exist.