Bone Chip/Weapon Power Potion Effect

• Rynn wrote on 2015-08-13 21:03
  Idk if this goes here or not but whatever.
  
  I see how a lot of guides or dmg calculator excel out there have the bone chip/wep pot effect as a flat 20% multiplier (since wiki description says it gives +20% attack) and while true, that's not the whole story.
  
  This is just a simple demonstration of how bone chip calculation works.
  
  Base damage:
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/DUDOxQR.png]

  
  
  Under pot:
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/pw8VXmF.png]

  
  
  So far so good! we can confirm it gives +20% damage cause 1000 x 1.2 = 1200.
  
  But now things get tricky... this is the BFO we will be using:
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/xstZpkr.png]

  
  
  Cool, moving on...
  
  Pot + BFO:
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/8TjLi77.png]

  
  
  Wait... what? 1200 x 1.348 = 1617 how on earth are we getting 1700 dmg????
  
  Well the solution is simple, bone chip/power pot ALSO increases the bfo multiplier itself. What does this mean? it means that instead of 34.8% bonus we are getting 41.76% (34.8 x 1.2).
  
  So let's plug that in... 1200 x 1.4176 = 1701. It's not exactly 1700, but CLOSE ENOUGH. I assume this is because either
  a)game rounds the char screen dmg up/down so 1000 wasn't the correct base to begin with.
  or
  b)you get 1 free magical dmg so stop complaining you nerd.
  
  So in recap, bone chip/wep power pot boost not only your weapon damage but also the effect of battlefield overture separately. If we assume a 52% overture for calculation purposes, then using a bone chip will give you an overall ~28.2% damage increase and not just 20% like we are used to.
  
  Bye.
  
  [SPOILER="bonus stage"]Bone chip by itself does not affect firebolt, but it does still affect overture multiplier and your character screen dmg for the bfo calculation... so if you tried bone chip with firebolt and thought it was useless, use BFO and try again for prettier numbers![/SPOILER]
  
  --- Merged Double Post ---
  
  Also, if anyone has a better explanation/math/formula, etc please post and I will update, thanks.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-08-13 21:05

  Quote from Rynn;1284062:

  
  [SPOILER="bonus stage"]Bone chip by itself does not affect firebolt, but it does still affect overture multiplier and your character screen dmg for the bfo calculation... so if you tried bone chip with firebolt and thought it was useless, use BFO and try again for prettier numbers![/SPOILER]

  
  
  Hold on, so the bonus damage from bone chip itself does not constitute enchant damage for firebolt purposes?
  
  also, found this out myself a while ago wit a friend and pretty much describe it as overture and WPP "echo" off of eachother.
• Rynn wrote on 2015-08-13 21:09
  Nop, the extra 200 in that example don't work as enchant dmg for firebolt sadly. However, it still does affect overture multiplier as well as character screen dmg used for the overture calculation.
  
  I do wonder how song of fist or the party 120% max dmg (or why not BOTH?) add to all the fun though.
  
  And while on the topic of damage, Dual Gun Ammo is not included in either calculation, it's just added at the end. Using the example in original post, if I used +30 dmg bullets I would have 1030 dmg as base and 1730 dmg after buffs. In other words, those expensive bullets are mostly for e-peening character stat window and it's ok to use cheap ones for actual combat.
• spirit2roam wrote on 2015-08-13 22:06

  Quote from Rynn;1284065:

  I do wonder how song of fist or the party 120% max dmg (or why not BOTH?) add to all the fun though.

  
  
  That would be interesting to see. Possibly 2k max?!
• Rynn wrote on 2015-08-13 22:28

  Quote from spirit2roam;1284072:

  That would be interesting to see. Possibly 2k max?!

  
  
  I was thinking like 4k~5k+ since I can get ~2.5k max on guns with just haunting bfo/bone chip. Was more interested in exactly how the stacking would work rather than what number can be reached though.
  
  Also fun fact: once you get to a certain number (I think it was around 30~60k max) your dmg goes back to 0. This was observed by people who played during a certain title stacking glitch years ago.
• Roflorz wrote on 2015-08-14 02:26

  Quote from Rynn;1284074:

  Also fun fact: once you get to a certain number (I think it was around 30~60k max) your dmg goes back to 0. This was observed by people who played during a certain title stacking glitch years ago.

  
  
  32767. because that's the max value of the data type used to hold damage.
• spirit2roam wrote on 2015-08-14 02:41

  Quote from Rynn;1284074:

  I was thinking like 4k~5k+ since I can get ~2.5k max on guns with just haunting bfo/bone chip. Was more interested in exactly how the stacking would work rather than what number can be reached though.

  
  
  Oh, that would even be more impressive, although you bring up a point. Since song of fist is a percentage as well wonder if it would round up like bfo.
• nandattebayo wrote on 2015-08-14 07:11
  So if I use a bone chip and then play BFO, will the entire party benefit from the increased BFO multiplier, or just me? What about if someone else plays BFO when I use a bone chip?
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-08-14 07:25
  I knew about this for a while (figured it out when I could get free weapon power pots from MabiLand), but I guess I didn't see guides containing this info.
  
  

  Quote from nandattebayo;1284086:

  So if I use a bone chip and then play BFO, will the entire party benefit from the increased BFO multiplier, or just me? What about if someone else plays BFO when I use a bone chip?

  
  
  First queston: Only you will benefit.
  
  Second question: You will still benefit, but party still won't benefit from bone chip.
• k1nsoo wrote on 2015-08-14 12:46
  Bullets' extra damage isn't affected by Bone Chip+BFO modifiers so your Dual Gun Max damage will appear lower compared to other weapons.