Step6 Rental Weapon?

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Exclamationn wrote on 2015-08-19 19:11

So seeing as we all had the rare chance to acquire step5 rental demonic weapons from this fine event, I decided to take advantage of it and attempt to step6 cause why the frick not? I ended up succeeding in step6ing, but I do wonder if Nexon will be able to remove this weapons from me, even though its personalized to me now

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Zeo wrote on 2015-08-19 19:13

And here's the interesting fact... If you manage to fail the step6 on the rental weapon, you can buy the new one again... Or well, at least, according to few players.
Roflorz wrote on 2015-08-19 19:46

Quote from Zeo;1284417:
And here's the interesting fact... If you manage to fail the step6 on the rental weapon, you can buy the new one again... Or well, at least, according to few players.

You can rent as many times as you want. Same as rightclick->destroy->rent

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Quote from Exclamationn;1284415:
So seeing as we all had the rare chance to acquire step5 rental demonic weapons from this fine event, I decided to take advantage of it and attempt to step6 cause why the frick not? I ended up succeeding in step6ing, but I do wonder if Nexon will be able to remove this weapons from me, even though its personalized to me now

They'll probably do a database wipe for rented items. There's no stopping them.
Eos wrote on 2015-08-19 21:44

Quote from Exclamationn;1284415:
I ended up succeeding in step6ing, but I do wonder if Nexon will be able to remove this weapons from me, even though its personalized to me now

Nothing short of putting it in a slot they don't expect to have to delete from will save it, and [S]possibly [/S] probably not even that.
Jman1070 wrote on 2015-08-20 01:38

Curious to see if r6ing it will let you keep it.
Rydian wrote on 2015-08-20 17:50

The rental weapons are literally a different type of weapon than the normal forms we can get.

The first hint is that their properties are different (no talent requirements), they also can't be enchanted and stuff. One of the bigger hints is that the name is different and says (Rental) at the end. Outside of enchants, there is no system to alter an item's name in Mabinogi. Any item with a different name than normal is literally a different type of item.

[spoiler="Stoned Stuff"]This actually includes S and R weapons normally, when you stick stones it actually changes an item's ID/class (because holy crap this game is built on hacks and workarounds).[/spoiler]
And checking the IDs...

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Normal - Rental
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The weapons are already R, so there's no way to change their class ID that I'm aware of. All they have to do is wipe out items of a specific class/ID to remove them. So if you want to try to keep these, the best bet is to put them in really weird places that might not be hit by the removal script.

Like if there's some situation in which an NPC might hold a weapon for you and then give it back later, or if you have some place you can stick a weapon that's non-standard and retrieve it later or something.
spirit2roam wrote on 2015-08-20 18:13

Quote from Rydian;1284512:
The rental weapons are literally a different type of weapon than the normal forms we can get.

The first hint is that their properties are different (no talent requirements), they also can't be enchanted and stuff. One of the bigger hints is that the name is different and says (Rental) at the end. Outside of enchants, there is no system to alter an item's name in Mabinogi. Any item with a different name than normal is literally a different type of item.

[spoiler="Stoned Stuff"]This actually includes S and R weapons normally, when you stick stones it actually changes an item's ID/class (because holy crap this game is built on hacks and workarounds).[/spoiler]
And checking the IDs...

[Image: http://i.imgur.com/1JzM9Czm.jpg]
Normal - Rental
[Image: http://i.imgur.com/GSTj0Ydm.jpg]

The weapons are already R, so there's no way to change their class ID that I'm aware of. All they have to do is wipe out items of a specific class/ID to remove them. So if you want to try to keep these, the best bet is to put them in really weird places that might not be hit by the removal script.

Like if there's some situation in which an NPC might hold a weapon for you and then give it back later, or if you have some place you can stick a weapon that's non-standard and retrieve it later or something.

If the Lost Item retrieval still works, potentially that?
TJP121 wrote on 2015-08-20 19:09

Quote from Rydian;1284512:
So if you want to try to keep these, the best bet is to put them in really weird places that might not be hit by the removal script.

even though they are r5 and can go to 6 and r1 reforge non enchantable are they worth keeping? early-mid game i can see it being worth in a way, but end game not really imo
Jake wrote on 2015-08-20 19:44

Quote from TJP121;1284519:
even though they are r5 and can go to 6 and r1 reforge non enchantable are they worth keeping? early-mid game i can see it being worth in a way, but end game not really imo

It'd be worth keeping the puppet bars...
..cause they have new weapon R6 orbs
Rydian wrote on 2015-08-20 23:05

Quote from spirit2roam;1284515:
If the Lost Item retrieval still works, potentially that?
That's actually one of your character's inventory tabs.

Quote from TJP121;1284519:
even though they are r5 and can go to 6 and r1 reforge non enchantable are they worth keeping? early-mid game i can see it being worth in a way, but end game not really imo
The control bars aren't too horrible and neither are the guns, though no infinite replacement after the end is meh. The staff is bad.
Kapra wrote on 2015-08-21 01:14

The lost item inventory is a tab of your inventory like any other, it's just programmed in a way that forces you to talk to an NPC to access it. It's not like the bank where things are stored off character, which is also why banks are shared among accounts and lost and founds are unique to each character.
Rydian wrote on 2015-08-21 03:28

Hm, I wonder if having the item personalized by a partner will do anything to stave off the "remove this stuff" effect. Not that it's worth a potion to unlock it later or anything, but might be neat to see.
Jake wrote on 2015-08-21 03:38

Doesn't let you give it to them
Exclamationn wrote on 2015-08-23 02:43

Only reason I want to attempt to keep these bars is because I can just use them until I hit master puppeteer so I can use regular demonics. I can't really think of an alternate way of storage for personalized equips, let alone equips that can't be dropped