Question about elves.

• Eremiyah wrote on 2015-08-28 03:02
  What would it be like if Elves had the capability of dual wielding like the other two races?
  Shouldn't Arrow revolver be for Elves too, as they are supposed to be an archer/magic race?
  How come *some* (Not all) like 10 or 20 human players complain about elves being too overpowered still
  No offense intended in this post.
• callback wrote on 2015-08-28 03:39

  Quote from Eremiyah;1285209:

  What would it be like if Elves had the capability of dual wielding like the other two races?
  Shouldn't Arrow revolver be for Elves too, as they are supposed to be an archer/magic race?
  How come *some* (Not all) like 10 or 20 human players complain about elves being too overpowered still
  No offense intended in this post.

  
  
  Elves were made to "dual wield" arrows, hence their double shot on normal ranged attack.
  
  The problem is normal ranged attack is horrible now.
• Roflorz wrote on 2015-08-28 05:32
  and dat elf lag.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-08-28 06:57

  Quote from Eremiyah;1285209:

  What would it be like if Elves had the capability of dual wielding like the other two races?

  
  
  Giving elves the ability to dual wield and use two-handed weapons would offer more weapon options for their melee combat, and make them a bit stronger. However they'd still be behind humans and giants due to their inferior skills and low strength.
  
  

  Shouldn't Arrow revolver be for Elves too, as they are supposed to be an archer/magic race?

  
  
  Dunno, they already have double shot normal attacks (even though it's kinda crap).
  
  

  How come *some* (Not all) like 10 or 20 human players complain about elves being too overpowered still
  No offense intended in this post.

  
  
  ... Who complains about elves being overpowered? I rarely see this and if that happens people are probably just blurting it out without doing proper research.
• Twin wrote on 2015-08-28 08:37

  Quote from Eremiyah;1285209:

  What would it be like if Elves had the capability of dual wielding like the other two races?

  
  
  I think it'd be pretty cool. Elf melee feels really butchered. To meh at least
  
  

  Quote from Eremiyah;1285209:

  Shouldn't Arrow revolver be for Elves too, as they are supposed to be an archer/magic race?

  
  Interm of balance, yea. It doesn't hurt. But for lore reasons, some people will outright reject the idea of Elf Arrow Revolver. Ignoring the bigger picture entirely.
  
  
  

  Quote from Eremiyah;1285209:

  How come *some* (Not all) like 10 or 20 human players complain about elves being too overpowered still
  No offense intended in this post.

  
  
  lol no. Elves are far from being OP. Final hit out dps anything they have. Their Final Shot could out dps Final Hit. But it requires some situational things that works better in Korea due to lagless internet.
• Eremiyah wrote on 2015-08-28 14:13
  what I mean by 10-20 I mean VERY rarely
• Kelvas wrote on 2015-08-28 16:11
  From what I'm told, in Korea, archery is amazing due to no lag + magnum revolver; but here in NA, if you live on the east coast, don't do archery unless you have some kind of ungodly internet connection and can pour enormous amounts of resources into it. Magic takes a lot less effort and rewards you more damage very early, but has negligible advantages compared to humans.
  
  I personally wouldn't play as an elf, because humans are better overall (better max attack for firebolt, and one additional matk doesn't make a difference). They're much more versatile and that have the OP Final Hit.
  
  The only time I could imagine an elf doing archery being OP is when they're at end game with capped dex, best enchants, r6 bhafel combo or salvation bow, reforges(crash shot fragment range and count reforge, magnum shot reforge, ele and/or effective range), bohemian set and California internet connection. Even then, if the server is in a bad state, they can miss a lot.
  The double shot normal attack isn't even useful since you'll probably be spamming magnum anyways.
• Yanm wrote on 2015-08-28 16:12
  The thing about AR is more so, it's given to Humans to help them in archery. Back before the Genesis update that gave every skill insta-load times and cds, Humans loaded magnum is 1.5 seconds, Elves in .5 seconds, and no cd at all. Elves could literally spam any mob that didn't have AHS in a corner and slaughter them. Even on mobs that did have them, their DPS Shot through the roof. Humans on the other hand could theoretically, shoot a magnum one time for every 3 an Elf can (In reality, calculating aim speed, I'd say it's more like Elves can shoot 2 Magnums per 1 human normally. AT times, 3). AR is given to humans to help balance them out for archery. Elf ranged loaded faster than human ranged at the time also. AR helped the DPS portion for humans to compete against Elves, but Elf mag spam beat everything.
  
  At the moment now, I don't see the point in Elves getting it. Mag spam is still far better dps, so can you enlighten me on the reason you'd like AR?
• Drizzit wrote on 2015-08-28 16:52
  Isn't arrow revolver an obsolete skill now that skills have no load time anyway.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-08-28 19:10

  Quote from Drizzit;1285249:

  Isn't arrow revolver an obsolete skill now that skills have no load time anyway.

  Ranged attack still has a "pulling out the next arrow" delay that AR removes, it also gives a ranged aim bonus to some of the shots at later ranks. It might not be the best for damage, but for keeping something pinned or stunned it's better than spamming normal attacks.
• callback wrote on 2015-08-28 20:43

  Quote from Rydian;1285258:

  Ranged attack still has a "pulling out the next arrow" delay that AR removes, it also gives a ranged aim bonus to some of the shots at later ranks. It might not be the best for damage, but for keeping something pinned or stunned it's better than spamming normal attacks.

  
  
  plus the small damage bonuses. It's a big improvement over human ranged attack, but elf magnum spam will always be king of archery. (just not an especially powerful king with NA server lag)
• Akamu wrote on 2015-09-22 21:12

  Quote from Yanm;1285244:

  The thing about AR is more so, it's given to Humans to help them in archery. Back before the Genesis update that gave every skill insta-load times and cds, Humans loaded magnum is 1.5 seconds, Elves in .5 seconds, and no cd at all. Elves could literally spam any mob that didn't have AHS in a corner and slaughter them. Even on mobs that did have them, their DPS Shot through the roof. Humans on the other hand could theoretically, shoot a magnum one time for every 3 an Elf can (In reality, calculating aim speed, I'd say it's more like Elves can shoot 2 Magnums per 1 human normally. AT times, 3). AR is given to humans to help balance them out for archery. Elf ranged loaded faster than human ranged at the time also. AR helped the DPS portion for humans to compete against Elves, but Elf mag spam beat everything.
  
  At the moment now, I don't see the point in Elves getting it. Mag spam is still far better dps, so can you enlighten me on the reason you'd like AR?

  
  
  The only thing I can think of is in a PVP setting, really. Then again, PVP is broken, from what I've heard (I avoid it, due to being an east coast elven archer).